2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
but I think 60%+ of the "democrat" voter base is still closer to the mid line than progressive line. Why do I say this?
take ALL of CNNs or whatever left leaning source you want and check polls a year ago or 10 months ago on the immigration border policy and see how many of that electorate was even saying that they were preferring tougher border or immigration policy. whatever that means. I still think at least half plus of the democrat voter base skews more 90s liberal than that of the more pr
I think you’ve written some thoughtful stuff here, especially in your following posts. I won’t be completely answering them (because reasons mostly related to not to hijacking the discussion) but I will partially answer your posts here.
The average democrat voter as near as I can tell mostly votes democrat because they are the “smart” party or for one particular issue. I don’t take the average democrat voters opinion on anything too seriously. This is quite different than the direction of society as a whole; which is determined by the ideas and work of outliers. Just in general I think the average democrat voter is significantly to the right of Maher, now, in 2024. This doesn’t mean those voters are right or that the average voter determines the policies of society.
In terms of some of the issues you discussed, I mightve considered myself a classical liberal or a libertarian if 99% of the people who assign those labels to themselves were not conservative on so many issues. On some of the hot topic issues-
I don’t think Hamas could be considered a far left organization. It is a terrorist organization that murders muslims and jews.
I am a very strong supporter of lgbtq rights. I am strongly pro-choice and a feminist.
I think it is a grave mistake for those fighting hamas to paint hamas support as far left.
When I hear things like the pro hamas, radical trans agenda, my ears( I have much more beautiful ears than Trump by the way) hear something analagous to “ the radical pro hamas anti slavery movement”. Not good.
Trump supporters closing strong
In my opinion, this is exactly why we need the heavy hand of the state to appropriately govern for all of us. People are dumb and naturally reactionary; we can't govern ourselves on any kind of individualistic basis without falling into exploitation and/or mass poverty and/or violence.
“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
According to Elon Musk, apparently I am supposed to vote for Trump because some guy that always wears very tight pants had his pet squirrel killed by local authorities.
this is a glimpse at how insanely online the magas have become and a big part of why i think their online people think they are going to crush the election and have a redwave.
like everyone involved in this squirrel story is a republican. republican sheriff killed republican's' illegal pet squirrel at the behest of some republican da.
and then we have the president and the vice president talking about a ****ing squirrel that no one who isn't on political social media 10+ hrs a day has ever heard of?
As far as candidate strength I think Kamala is a stronger candidate than Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. She just doesn’t appeal to this forum as much.
As far as candidate strength I think Kamala is a stronger candidate than Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. She just doesn’t appeal to this forum as much.
As his Vice-President, she is seen as being implicit in Biden's perceived policy failures (immigration, wars, inflation); and hasn't really offered any solutions how she would fix these problems. For this reason, very hard to imagine she wouldn't be getting crushed if Trump wasn't such a flawed candidate.
Of the people pre-disposed to vote Democrat in the first place, I think this forum actually has a more knowledgeable and nuanced view of the Biden Presidency and the things it may have done well, which she would hopefully continue and expand upon, and she actually has more appeal.
As his Vice-President, she is seen as being implicit in Biden's perceived policy failures (immigration, wars, inflation); and hasn't really offered any solutions how she would fix these problems. For this reason, very hard to imagine she wouldn't be getting crushed if Trump wasn't such a flawed candidate.
Of the people pre-disposed to vote Democrat in the first place, I think this forum actually has a more knowledgeable and nuanced view of the Biden Presidency and the things it may have done w
Well, I disagree with you on policies a lot. On immigration I’m for more of it, not quite open borders but something close. I think the Biden admin has done a good job addressing inflation. Not going to get into wars in this post.
I do think this forum is more knowledgeable about the Biden admin than the average democrat, not sure what that has to do with her political appeal, which is clearly more broad and not understood well on this forum. It’s not clear from the way I wrote this in a previous post, but yes, I think she will win all the swing states.
“No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
George Orwell was a left socialist for most of his life.
"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
This dude wrote an entire book, Homage to Catalonia, detailing his experiences fighting, alongside Communists and other leftists, against the fascists during the Spanish Civil War.
I don't regard his political writings as gospel, but there's zero doubt that his ideology was a lot closer to mine than yours!
I mean, here I am responding to somebody who thinks this milquetoast-ass, centrist, capitalism-supporting, imperialism-supporting political party known as the Democratic Party is, somehow, Marxist or at least Marxism-inspired.
Well, I disagree with you on policies a lot. On immigration I’m for more of it, not quite open borders but something close. I think the Biden admin has done a good job addressing inflation. Not going to get into wars in this post.
I do think this forum is more knowledgeable about the Biden admin than the average democrat, not sure what that has to do with her political appeal, which is clearly more broad and not understood well on this forum. It’s not clear from the way I wrote this in a previous
Whatever your personal opinions, polls indicate the electorate generally views wars, immigration and inflation as problems the Biden administration has not handled well, and there is no expectation she would either.
Her "political appeal" is mainly she is a member of the party that is not trying to make abortion as illegal as possible and is not Trump and isn't perceived to have his authoritarian tendencies and refusal to accept the results of elections he loses.
Whatever your personal opinions, polls indicate the electorate generally views wars, immigration and inflation as problems the Biden administration has not handled well, and there is no expectation she would either.
Her "political appeal" is mainly she is a member of the party that is not trying to make abortion as illegal as possible and is not Trump and isn't perceived to have his authoritarian tendencies and refusal to accept the results of elections he loses.
She is also a minority woman and a growing number of people might look favorably at that these days
I wish Cardi B was running for president. She’s brilliant and expert on WAP.
George Orwell was a left socialist for most of his life.
"The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
This dude wrote an entire book, Homage to Catalonia, detailing his experiences fighting, alongside Communists and other leftists, against the fascists during the Spanish
LOL. He fought alongside the leftist, and then realized they were in many ways more authoritarian, fascist and hypocritical than the people they were fighting.
Why do you think the antagonist in Animal Farm is named "Comrade Napoleon?" Is it because the author thinks highly of Communists?
LOL. He fought alongside the leftist, and then realized they were in many ways more authoritarian, fascist and hypocritical than the people they were fighting.
Why do you think the antagonist in Animal Farm is named "Comrade Napoleon?" Is it because the author thinks highly of Communists?
I’m not too sure what you’re talking about. I’ve read animal farm and my interpretation is that it wasn’t political in nature but mostly a fun read about barnyard animals. I thought the pigs drinking whisky was funny. hahahaha.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to unironically make the following comment:
In my opinion, this is exactly why we need the heavy hand of the state to appropriately govern for all of us.
and conclude that George Orwell had a similar ideology to yourself.
LOL. He fought alongside the leftist, and then realized they were in many ways more authoritarian, fascist and hypocritical than the people they were fighting.
That does not remotely match what HE HIMSELF has said and written in the years after. Take your LOLs and stuff them back into your reactionary mouth.
Why do you think the antagonist in Animal Farm is named "Comrade Napoleon?" Is it because the author thinks highly of Communists?
He was critical of Soviet-style "Communism". As am I. That doesn't mean that we're not on the left, or socialists, or Communists, or whatever.
Also, it's been a while, but I remember the pigs in Animal Farm being totalitarian, resource-hoarding dictators that only used the language of socialism to mask their evil intentions. In other words, a fitting criticism of reactionaries co-opting left language for their political benefit.
Bringing it around to Caitlin Johnstone; I believe that humanity needs to move beyond an adversarial zero sum game mindset. But the conceit that supporting Putin and Xi is how we get there is beyond absurd.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to unironically make the following comment:
In my opinion, this is exactly why we need the heavy hand of the state to appropriately govern for all of us.
and conclude that George Orwell had a similar ideology to yourself.
It's a straight-up matter of fact that Orwell's ideology is closer to mine than yours. Again, I never stated nor implied that we hold identical views on these concerns...
Do me a favor, read Burmese Days, and then come back to me and let's talk about Orwell's views on Western Imperialism, aka arguably the number one enemy of the left.
Edit: I've read 1984, Animal Farm, Down and Out in Paris and London, Burmese Days, Keep the Aspidistra Flying, among others. I know a lot more about this guy than you.
Edit 2: Holy ****, forget Burmese Days, Aspidistra and Down and Out are practically straight-up polemics against capitalism and consumerism! PLEASE read those and see if you can come back on here popping off...
I have to say, regardless of what I think of KoG's political views, I do enjoy his posting. His style is much more engaging than the other leftists here, and the man actually has a sense of humour, so he's probably not a real leftist anyway.
Also, it's been a while, but I remember the pigs in Animal Farm being totalitarian, resource-hoarding dictators that only used the language of socialism to mask their evil intentions. In other words, a fitting criticism of reactionaries co-opting left language for their political benefit.
That is the point. There is no such thing as rule by the people for the people. Power always corrupts.
Marxism is a fine theory in the abstract. **** sapiens are just the wrong species to be trying it out with. Our evolution, social behavior, psychology, and ultimately genetic structure itself makes true Marxism unworkable.
How are tariffs left-wing? lmao Are you saying that when the founding fathers imposed tariffs they were being leftist? that’s utterly stupid.
the idea of protecting your nation’s resources in order to not get effed over has two conceits: there is a capitalist national class and that capitalist national class should be protected for the development of the nation. that’s the type of tariffs we’re talking about here.
as far as trans and gay stuff, even when gay marriage was illegal there were “log ca
Your obsession with sexual minorities will be the downfall of the civilization you claim to love. While you're incessantly crying about it, an actual threat is rearing its head in Asia.
back to 60% for orange man
