2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
That's easy. The vast majority of people make decisions and form ideas in an effectively fact-free environment. They think Trump is good for the economy because they saw a dope meme from @TrumpTruth1488 putting a "Brandon did this!" sticker next to a gas tank. They bitch with their friends about how the price of eggs is up 5000% and they all eventually group-condition themselves into believing it.
You're a guy who likes data and empirical observation and what-have-you. I respect that, but the
I know what they think is stupid, I'm just curious as to what they think. I'm under no delusion that a typical Trump supporter could beat 1/3 of 12 year olds in math tests.
your tribe is made up of so many smart people, that even spending a multiple of what the opposition is spending they lost anyway.
Maybe field medals and nobel prizes don't translate into real life skills as much as you would like them to
Disclaimer: I say this as a lifelong registered Democrat.
Every single election there is a Coordi on this site that tries to think up the reasons that Hispanics are so dumb as to vote for the other candidate. People like you are the reason that the Dems are going to keep losing elections and especially lose their grip on minority voters.
I am a Hispanic male. I don't personally know any illegal immigrants, much less have any friends or family that are in danger of being deported. Please explain to me why it is "against my own self interest" to vote for Trump. I am all ears.
Hispanics are not some monolithic group that solely exists to vote for your candidate. The way you people, and the Democratic party in general, think and talk about minority groups is deplorable, and it has not gone unnoticed.
Think it just came down to the middle class that's struggling due to heavy inflation - so many people that are making 50k-200k and barely paying bills that are looking for a change. Of course Trump or Kamala won't change any of that, but the grass is greener. Kamala got destroyed in the swing states - don't think she's even going to win one of them when all is said and done.
your tribe is made up of so many smart people, that even spending a multiple of what the opposition is spending they lost anyway.
Maybe field medals and nobel prizes don't translate into real life skills as much as you would like them to
Who thinks it translates to real world political skill? When a guy like Rogan who can't tell you the odds of a coin landing heads twice thinks he understands why rare side effects outweigh the benefit of a vaccine there isn't much I or anyone can do. Everybody is taught to think for themselves, but nobody says, "hey to do that properly takes some work you might not find very fun".
Whatever way the masses skew that's where you have to find the votes if you want to win. If the masses skew conservative you run as an alternative conservative or you lose.
Can't blame the voters like literally ever, your job is to do anything that works to make them vote for you, and if you have more resources and more media control than the opposition you should win all the times
It matters whether they’re leaning conservative or just rejecting something about the incumbent liberals. If it’s truly the issue of the economy, rightly or wrongly, you could run someone who just breaks more from the previous administration without going conservative. Harris didn’t put enough daylight between her and the perception of Biden. Being the vice president is getting off to a bad start.
Gorgonian just thinks he is much smarter than everyone else and understands the world more than others do.
He doesn't.
It's incredible to think that someone who favoured double masking, masking mandates, very prolonged school closures, lockdowns in general and vaccine mandates could be wrong about something
Just checking in to say I was obviously wrong. I don't care nearly as much about me being wrong as I do about the country I recently became a citizen of being wrong. Again. Disappointed isn't the word for it. Disgusted is much more accurate.
For those that voted for Trump and especially those that defended and promoted that piece of absolute st, just now I think that you are the stupidest and most vile pieces of trash on the planet.
You thought you knew so much about everything and understood the world so well.... when you clearly don't.
Spend the time in reflection and deep thought, change the way you think so that you can be less dead wrong about things in the future.
sure and if that's how voters behave, why did democrat lose having more money available, and more control of the media, to manipulate perceptions?
why did the right meme better , if memes are what influeced voters?
First, to be clear, what I wrote applies to everyone and every ideology. It's far from a strictly conservative thing. Secondly, the right has a very healthy share of "control of the media". FOX is still huge. Sinclair Broadcasting Group has HUNDREDS of local news stations, and they are overtly Republican and Trump-favoring. Talk radio. Thirdly, the actual OWNERS of so-called liberal corporate media continue to prop him up and keep him in the news at all times, because they care infinitely more about making money than their personal politics and Trump news always sells.
I know what they think is stupid, I'm just curious as to what they think. I'm under no delusion that a typical Trump supporter could beat 1/3 of 12 year olds in math tests.
I feel like I explained it. Memes, along with the phenomenon of groups of friends creating and conditions themselves to believe a shared realty, are massively stronger motivators for the things the average American believes than logic and facts and observable reality could ever be. Seems like a reasonable explanation for the "why" you're looking for.
It matters whether they’re leaning conservative or just rejecting something about the incumbent liberals. If it’s truly the issue of the economy, rightly or wrongly, you could run someone who just breaks more from the previous administration without going conservative. Harris didn’t put enough daylight between her and the perception of Biden. Being the vice president is getting off to a bad start.
sure , i was just responding to the claim that "stupid people lean conservative so gg", it's really a terrible claim. If true, you pander to them as much as necessary to win (then don't do the stuff you lied about).
We don't have the data to know how much each issue mattered and so on yet imho btw.
It's incredible to think that someone who favoured double masking, masking mandates, very prolonged school closures, lockdowns in general and vaccine mandates could be wrong about something
Gorgy boy was stomping his feet for months on end as the hall monitor arbiter of truth and understanding. Being condescending to whomever he was arguing with, fully believed he was 100% right. And then falls flat on his face.
I told him Kamala was just not a good choice for the democrats. He came up with reasons upon reasons why she was.... Nope.
Saying Kamala is excellent as a candidate because Trump is a buffoon doofus, means you learned nothing from 2016.
just realized what an overwhelmingly massive L this is for Zelensky and Ukraine
yikes!
heh
I like how CNN is this massive boogeyman to the right. Who the **** under 75 watches CABLE NEWS? I mean, I follow this **** pretty closely and I haven't watched an hour of ALL cable news in 15 combined years. I'm not alone. Cable news viewers lean RIDICULOUSLY old, even accounting for the fact that TV viewership in general leans super old.
With that said, I did see a minute-long clip posted on Twitter of the CNN crew calling Harris' campaign "perfect". "We had all the celebrities! she sai
Very few people here watch cable news on the reg. I certainly don't. But a lot of people tune in on election night because it is a relatively painless way to get real-time reporting on how the results are coming in. And there isn't some sort of rule that prevents you from looking at the internet or your social media feed while you have NBC, CNN, or Fox on in the background.
Kamala was the only possible choice at that point, not enough time to do else
It matters whether they’re leaning conservative or just rejecting something about the incumbent liberals. If it’s truly the issue of the economy, rightly or wrongly, you could run someone who just breaks more from the previous administration without going conservative
what is wrong with lessor Governmental controls, oversight and involvement combined with Fiscal Responsibility?
Really hard to imagine how a typical voter thinks Trump will help the economy. He had pretty much no impact last time for three years then t collapsed.
People notice when their paycheck doesn't go as far as it used to. That's why.
There were so many parallels to 1980, really not a surprise the electorate voted against the democrats. We are too polarized for an 80 or 84 style beatdown though. Also, not that it matters, slotkin and baldwin are going to barely win it looks like so senate won't be lopsided R but still enough R that trump can do whatever he wants.
People notice when their paycheck doesn't go as far as it used to. That's why.
There were so many parallels to 1980, really not a surprise the electorate voted against the democrats. We are too polarized for an 80 or 84 style beatdown though. Also, not that it matters, slotkin and baldwin are going to barely win it looks like so senate won't be lopsided R but still enough R that trump can do whatever he wants.
You think they are going to nuke the legislative filibuster?
Very few people here watch cable news on the reg. I certainly don't. But a lot of people tune in on election night because it is a relatively painless way to get real-time reporting on how the results are coming in. And there isn't some sort of rule that prevents you from looking at the internet or your social media feed while you have NBC, CNN, or Fox on in the background.
Yeah, and elections come only once every 2 years, and that's including midterms, which the majority of media consumers don't care much about. I mean, what I said about cable news being less pervasive than in prior years, and increasingly heavily skewing old seems factually accurate, so I'm struggling to understand your point.
yup
I realized it quicker than the Democratic Party realized campaigning with bunch of Republican ghouls like the Cheneys and RUNNING TV ADS FEATURING MOTHER****ING JOHN BOLTON, WHOM, ADMITTEDLY, ALL DEMOCRATS LOVE were terrible ideas, so, regardless, I'm more aware of things than your dumbass political party is.
But Biden didn't get into some horrific accident the day before the debates rendering him a mess.
Top Dems lied over and over and pretended Biden's brain wasn't long gone right up until the debates when he completely embarrassed himself. Now either they believed Biden was still sharp and were shocked at what they saw at the debates (fat chance) or they knew what was going to happened and that they could then force in Harris as the nominee because "there's no time!".
And the end result is what you get when your force in nominee that got 1 percent of the votes in the 2020 primaries who had dismal approval ratings as VP. They figured Trump lost to a sack of potatoes in 2020, he'll lose to anyone. Woops.
