US Immigration Crisis

Black citizens are literally the group gaining the most by a reduction in the number of low skilled immigrants in the USA, because they do actually compete on jobs and salaries at the low end of the curve much more than other ethnic groups.

Society overall can gain (before externalities are accounted for) from cheap labor importation, but domestic low skilled individuals lose. And blacks are less educated, suffer more from unemployment and so on as we all know.

Illegals also overwhelming go live in poor neighborhoods for obvious reasons, increasing rent there. Guess where black people renting disproportionately live.

So takes against illegal aliens help black citizens more than any ethnic group, and viceversa.

Unlike you, I love freedom. It's not about what races benefit or not. It's about freedom.

I don't think about deporting US citizens at all, but I do think about locking them in tiny concrete boxes when they can't behave themselves.

I'm very pro-immigration in general. Just not the illegal kind. It's better for society if we know who you are and that you understand our rules and know how to communicate with everyone already here.

You can't communicate with everyone already here. (neither can I obv)

Mr. Nitpick over here.

Something like 99.2 of Americans speak English, though 10% of those people report not being able to speak English fluently.

This is different than people who speak something other than English as their primary language at home. But for all intents and purposes, everyone can speak English.

Dunno how many people don't speak English around me, but it's a lot. 52% speak something other than English at home in my county. It's awesome and allows you to experience many different cultures without having to travel all over the world which is too expensive.

I haven't come across an English speaker in over two weeks-- and she was a German.

Well, .8% of 330 million is still a lot of individuals, but it's only that way because we've done a piss-poor job of policing the border.

Doesn't help that you live in the part of the country most attractive to them.

The Migration Policy Institute estimates that 98.7% of West Virginians only speak English at home, for instance. WV obviously isn't a big destination state for illegal immigrants.

Edit: Wrong figure. Looked at the 90s data on accident. 2020 figure was higher.

Not complaining about things, but if I didn't have family obligations here I'd probably be digital nomading in Central and South America.

And replace sub min wage workers who are afraid to go to the authorities about anything with workers who make more money, have rights and might even join a union?

Yes? That's how you finally push automatization of **** jobs away, which improves the lives of everyone in the long term.

which countries? i would wager an in-n-out meal that whatever country you are thinking about emigrating to would have tougher immigration laws than the USA.

nomading != emigrating

Top on my list are Mexico City, which I've been to once, and Antigua Guatemala, which I have never been to. From what people say, it's pretty easy to legally stay in many Latin American countries, but again, I'm not thinking of moving permanently anywhere and wouldn't as long as my young adult children are still nearby-ish.

If I had no family to consider? Dunno. Mexico City is pretty awesome, but I don't really want to settle in any large city, so...shrug.

Idgaf about being a citizen there. Just being allowed to live and work legally is what matters.

Antigua seems really nice. It's probably a little too big and a little too touristy for my liking but I could still imagine spending some longer periods of time there.

People have made this "criticism" before. Is your point that these non-USA countries are bad for not allowing more freedom? If so, great! Is your point that you think I'm saying other countries love freedom more than the USA? I'm not saying that. Still, I wish we'd love freedom like we pretend to... Land of the Free and all.

anecdotally, that feels way too high but probably correct because majority of population is rural

when I'm in cities in the USA I regularly run into people who don't understand a word I say - having said that, I'm usually seeking out those communities because I'm often in search for the real authentic food

my cousin recently took a CFO position with a company headquartered in flushing, for essential jobs they just hire whichever the best candidate is, for non essential stuff that's easier to fill and the quality of the candidate is less important, they require the applicants be fluent in Chinese because so many are native Chinese speakers that they use that for day to day work communications and about 1/3 of their employees don't speak any English at all

i don't criticize any country for having border control. its basic common sense. i suppose my comment was made because the USA's border policy that bothers you so much is probably one of the more lenient in the world.

i know, i know, you love freedom. have you ever considered there is a correlation between a countries perceived freedom and border control?

Well, America used to love freedom and thank goodness for that because my great grandparents who got pogrommed out of Eastern Europe just came over here. People still have an idea that Americans love freedom because, well, they used to. (well, not always and for everyone obviously)

they came over legally, or illegally?

There was no illegal at that time, the borders were open (except for the Chinese exclusion act).That's what I'm talking about.

There was never total freedom, but people can't even imagine freedom anymore.

Like, sublime, did you post that legally or illegally?

That will be something people might wonder in another generation or two.

Bro, there was no distinction back in the day. You just sort of came over, like my ancestors did.

lol

From 1847 to 1890, a state authority—not a federal one—oversaw the entry of most
immigrants arriving in the United States. The New York State Board of the
Commissioners of Emigration supervised the landing of over eight million newcomers in
nation’s busiest entry point, the Port of New York, during the second half of the
nineteenth century. Most were processed at the Board’s Castle Garden Emigrant Depot in
Battery Park, which opened in 1855. This study demonstrates why and how New York

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewc...
State developed a complex regulatory regime well before the federalization of
immigration authority in 1882.

And this is a super-pro immigration piece about how those regulations according to them were mostly developed to help immigrants.

Still, there were a lot of regulations