Moderation Questions

Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.

This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.

Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.

Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.

So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.

Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.

So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.

We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.

Thanks.

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well then how about the outright xenophobic articles being posted about china acting as if eating rats is the norm



Guys, this isn't hard. Whatever the word "racism" originally meant; in modern parlance it is very simple.

If you say anything negative about a group that isn't coded "white", then it is racist. So saying something negative about Haitians is racist, regardless of whether it is true or intent.

Glad I could help clear things up.


by Dunyain k

Guys, this isn't hard. Whatever the word "racism" originally meant; in modern parlance it is very simple.

If you say anything negative about a group that isn't coded "white", then it is racist. So saying something negative about Haitians is racist, regardless of whether it is true or intent.

Glad I could help clear things up.

The (perceived) oppressed racial identity is sacred. And therefore pure. Woke 101.


by craig1120 k

The (perceived) oppressed racial identity is sacred. And therefore pure. Woke 101.

This is fun to say, but I'm not convinced that this is how people actually think. If I selected a few hundred people from any group, I would expect some of them to be truly terrible.


by Rococo k

This is fun to say, but I'm not convinced that this is how people actually think. If I selected a few hundred people from any group, I would expect some of them to be truly terrible.

People are double minded and adapt to social context.


by craig1120 k

People are double minded and adapt to social context.

Double minded?


by Rococo k

Double minded?

Means "they can be widely incoherent"


by Rococo k

Double minded?

People will act out a belief and when confronted, they’ll deny + rationalize to themselves that they don’t actually believe what they’re acting out.


by Rococo k

Double minded?


by craig1120 k

People will act out a belief and when confronted, they’ll deny + rationalize to themselves that they don’t actually believe what they’re acting out.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think that I have ever "acted out" a belief that is contrary to what I wrote above.


by Luciom k

Means "they can be widely incoherent"

Double minded means incoherent?


by Rococo k

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think that I have ever "acted out" a belief that is contrary to what I wrote above.

Do you know any person who at the same time is pro LGBT rights and not fervently inimical , as a core threat to his values, of radical islam?


by Rococo k

Double minded means incoherent?

Yes in Craig parlance it means being able to hold completly incompatible beliefs


Double minded: Having a social conscience + a private conscience

Surely, the above is recognizable?


by Luciom k

Do you know any person who at the same time is pro LGBT rights and not fervently inimical , as a core threat to his values, of radical islam?

I haven't polled everyone I know, but I would expect most people I know who are pro-LGBT rights to also be highly critical of how LGBT people are treated in Islamic theocracies.


wait, do you mean 2 selves?


by Rococo k

I haven't polled everyone I know, but I would expect most people I know who are pro-LGBT rights to also be highly critical of how LGBT people are treated in Islamic theocracies.

maybe for our generation (i've seen the queers for palestine shirt out in the wild as well)



by craig1120 k

Double minded: Having a social conscience + a private conscience

Surely, the above is recognizable?

Not entirely. As usual, I find you very difficult to understand. If, by "social conscience," you mean the conscience that you put on display for others, then I have some idea of what you mean.


by Rococo k

I haven't polled everyone I know, but I would expect most people I know who are pro-LGBT rights to also be highly critical of how LGBT people are treated in Islamic theocracies.

Which is why we see so many protests, donations against, organized political activity against all those countries interfering with american politics?

Qatar donates to all major leftist causes in academia and it's a crime to have homosexuals acts there (up to 3 years for non Muslims, theoretically up to death for Muslims under Sharia law)

Any of you friends ever mentioned how morally horrific and completely indefensible it is for an American in academia to financially benefit from funds donated by Qatar? No?


by Rococo k

Not entirely. As usual, I find you very difficult to understand. If, by "social conscience," you mean the conscience that you put on display for others, then I have some idea of what you mean.

Question: How could anyone go beyond their social conditioning unless there is another conscience besides the social conscience?


by rickroll k

maybe for our generation (i've seen the queers for palestine shirt out in the wild as well)

I obviously don't know the person in the picture, but I don't find anything particularly incoherent about a gay person having empathy for displaced Palestinian civilians.


by Rococo k

I obviously don't know the person in the picture, but I don't find anything particularly incoherent about a gay person having empathy for displaced Palestinian civilians.

I think focusing on the message and the coherency of the message misses the point. The purpose of this type of messaging is to signal tribal solidarity; and the epistemological foundation of the message is mostly irrelevant.


by Luciom k

Which is why we see so many protests, donations against, organized political activity against all those countries interfering with american politics?

Qatar donates to all major leftist causes in academia and it's a crime to have homosexuals acts there (up to 3 years for non Muslims, theoretically up to death for Muslims under Sharia law)

Any of you friends ever mentioned how morally horrific and completely indefensible it is for an American in academia to financially benefit from funds donated by

Qatari donations to American universities might be accurately described as a form of pro-Arab propaganda. I wouldn't call it "leftist." I don't think this phenomenon is unique to Arab countries, or Qatar specifically. I just found an article which said that Germany gave the University of Pennsylvania $1.2 billion in 2018.

In response to your question, I don't recall discussing this issue pro or con with anyone who works in academia.


by Rococo k

I obviously don't know the person in the picture, but I don't find anything particularly incoherent about a gay person having empathy for displaced Palestinian civilians.


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