Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I shouldn’t need to.
You recognise you’re not a Pol mod but make this whole thread all about yourself, as if you’re some kind of Special Case.
You’re incapable of putting someone on ignore or scrolling past their posts, which shows a lack of self control.
The whole it’s him or me shtick is pathetic and close to full cuserounder. NEVER go full cuserounder.
You keep saying you’re leaving but never do.
The guy is probably one of the most high content posters here, who actually takes the time to put together lengthy, well constructed, well researched posts. Whether you agree with his opinions or not, I'd say he's earnt the privilege of having this vent, as opposed to say, a poster who shall remain nameless and whose only contributions are no-content re-tweets and one liners like 'yOu liKe dEad bAbIes" that take all of about half a second to write.
If I were taking the time and effort he does to post here and getting drowned out by low content, low quality noise and felt that the mods were doing nothing about it, I'd probably be pretty ****ing pissed off too. That's my excuse for firmly planting myself on the "low content, low quality noise" side of the ledger, anyway.
Instead of using this as an excuse to attack people (which describes most of your posts) perhaps you should be saying which of my points you disagree with in your usual high-content way?
Also, I don't agree that running a years-long campaign like this against another poster is a right that can be earned. But you do you.
Instead of using this as an excuse to attack people (which describes most of your posts) perhaps you should be saying which of my points you disagree with?
Also, I don't agree that running a years-long campaign like this against another poster is a right that can be earned. But you do you.
I was responding to the "you make this whole thread about yourself" line. I should have probably quoted just that line so it was clearer.
Attacking people is both fun and effortless. No arguments from me there. And I'm hardly the only one who does it, including posters whom you defend. At least I admit to doing it.
There's a reason why the term tl;dr was coined. People writing at great length online should learn to be pithier or submit their meanderings to offline publications because most of the time they just get speed-read imo.
There's a reason why the term tl;dr was coined. People writing at great length online should learn to be pithier or submit their meanderings to offline publications because most of the time they just get speed-read imo.
That's fine as a stylistic critique, I don't see how it's particularly relevant to what I said though. The point is, the guy is taking time and making effort to post high quality content, I think that should buy him some goodwill. I'm sure there is an implicit premise in your position somewhere that all posters are equal, which is simply not true. Some posters bring more value than others, which I think should be self-evident after a moment's contemplation.
Sure, but as in sports betting everyone has their own idea of value, d2.
BGP,
I don't remember how much of what you wrote above actually happened in the way you describe, but the fact that you took the time to type out 10,000 words about your opinions on whether a volunteer mod who took no action against you did an adequate job sort of proves the point.
FWIW, within reason, I generally tried to err on the side of not banning people for comments directed at me. That was for two reasons. First, my feelings are not easily hurt. But the second, and more important, reason is that I didn't want to be accused of using mod powers to resolve personal disputes in my favor.
In any case, there have now been several mods in a row--all with different personal politics--who have failed to moderate the forum to your satisfaction. I have no confidence that the next mod will be any closer to what you want. You don't want to mod the forum yourself. It seems like an unsolveable dilemma.
And unless you want to see beauty contests conducted via polls, or tabulated lists of users and their likes as some other sites produce, cough UP, I don't see it's particularly meaningful in the case of most posters.
It seems easily solvable to me and others, if BGP is prepared to put 1% of the effort into his scrolling that he does into his grievance posting.
I like how you did some quick mental calculations and revised your estimate tenfold. You must have been a project manager. Actually, scrap that, those estimates only go up. Must have been a dev.
(I'm pretty sure your post said 10% and you ninja edited it to 1%. If I'm imagining things, then my comment obviously makes no sense).
Your comment makes no sense. Get reading glasses.
The point is, the guy is taking time and making effort to post high quality content, I think that should buy him some goodwill.
it clearly has. and whether or not it's bc he does the high-content (as you say), or bc he's green and been around forever, or some combination of all the above, he's been given a much wider berth in terms of the complaining to this point than would have been tolerated from anyone else.
also, your idea cuts both ways imo. at some point, "he should know better than to continue in this way" very much comes into play.
and fwiw, this is more a reaction to the idea of who gets to do what around here and not about any of the posters in this latest drama.
If you want to know the real reason why I first first offered this: I do not want to spend time reading threads that I am not interested in. I have this same arrangement in BFI and it worked, alleviating modding on threads that the mods there do not want to mod, while cleaning up the threads I was already participating in. You can guess at my true intentions all you want,
If the bolded is a reference to me, it is a blatant lie. I did tell you that, in order to avoid inconsistency, I thought it would be better if you moderated the whole Politics forum rather than just a few threads. You made it clear that you were only interested in moderating the Ukraine and I/P threads. In response, I told you the following via PM:
It's up to you. If you want to tell people that you will be modding just those threads, that's fine with me. If the complaining about inconsistency becomes too irritating, I can always just quit.
I never changed my position.
There is a poster who has an annoying habit of spamming the same post in multiple threads simultaneously, usually a meme or a tweet or some other nonsense. Is this allowed?
What are you banging on about? I think we should start giving points for talking in riddles as well, mostly to you and the couple of others who like to do it. It's not big, clever, or funny.
I'll spell it out explicitly.
1. We have multiple threads covering the same topic.
2. Ergo the same post should be allowed in multiple threads.
Hopefully that helps
I'll spell it out explicitly.
1. We have multiple threads covering the same topic.
2. Ergo the same post should be allowed in multiple threads.
Hopefully that helps
1 is questionable, depends on how broadly interpret the thread titles, but even if true, 2 does not follow from 1. You need more than just the fact of 1 if you want to make the case for 2.
I asked sometime back that we consolidate some of partisan threads and was met with shrugs. Memes getting spammed across them is one of the consequences.
Here's another solution. Maybe people could post fewer contentless memes. Impossible, I know.
