The liberal media and the police Killing of Sonya Massey
I didnt give much thought on the title but I wanted to see if people actually took the time to watch the police body cam footage. I mentioned the media because nobody seems to want to talk about the obvious. This cop is still locked up as far as i know and everyone seems to be villainizing him. I actually took the time to watch the video in slow motion and you can clearly see that the lady 100% intended on throwing boiling water on him. There is no dispute on that yet nobody wants to say it for fear of upsetting an all too familiar narrative. If you watch the video you will clearly see that the woman drops to floor holding only her oven mitts. The pot is sitting on the counter. The officers arm obstructs the bodycam up until the last second where you see the woman holding the pot and throwing it at the cop. I just dont understand how in the freeist country in the world not a peep is being mentioned about this. You can say well the cop should have dropped back or ran and thats a valid argument but what you dont do is pretend that this lady was innocent when it seems to be an instance of a very troubled lady choosing to die at the hands of a cop. I will try to link the video below if that is cool with mods. It's not graphic. It will be the last 5-6 seconds and you obviously need to watch it in slow motion. It is the bodycam of the cop who shoots her. You have to realize he is only about 5 feet from her and his arm blocks a good chunk of the crucial 5-6 seconds. He is lucky his arm didnt block the whole thing or he would be spending the rest of his life in prison.
You seem to be losing track of the conversation again. We're talking about your soul read on her intentions. You said that the media is misreporting her intentions, that was your beef with the coverage. That is when I started pressing you on how you can be so sure of her intentions. You seemed pretty adamant that her intentions were obvious, and anyone who disagreed with you was being a comedian.
I thought that people seeing her actually throw the pot would be clear on her intentions. That's not the case for the vast majority of you guys and I accept that. The media did not mention that she throws the pot at him.
that's fine. You're all free to draw a different conclusion than me. You say we as it's a collective but it's a bunch of people with varying knowledge on this event. The media coverage has a heavy effect on people interpretations of what happened. I believe the lady had bad intentions. You guys believe the cop used deadly force on a completely innocent lady. My watching her throw the pot heavily influenced my interpretation. That is the most important piece of information to me. For you guys it
What media coverage? You linked a video, I watched the video at 0.25 speed and also saw her reach for a pot and will confirm it did in fact end up in front of her. Did she throw it? I simply can't tell. Did the cop handle it correctly? Hell no. He is responsible for how quickly heated this all got and there was absolutely no reason for him to approach her hand in gun. Could've just taken 2 steps back and asked her to come up.
I believe the lady had bad intentions
The lady had mental health issues. On what grounds could you possibly believe she had bad intentions? Why is it so hard to say ''I don't know''.
It seems easy for everyone calling for the cop to be jailed for life though.
There is nothing in that video that suggests the cop did the right thing. He escalated the situation by drawing the gun, his language and walking towards the pot of boiling water rather than taking 2 steps back.
Also, an American cop got indicted for a crime. That says a LOT.
I thought that people seeing her actually throw the pot would be clear on her intentions. That's not the case for the vast majority of you guys and I accept that. The media did not mention that she throws the pot at him.
It's not clear from the video that she does. The twitter video apparently has frames that the youtube video doesn't, which is another issue you've not responded to:
Assuming this is true, I think it needs repeating: the video in the tweet linked ITT has been manipulated by having manufactured frame(s) inserted in order to support the cop's side of the case.
Willd, if you have the time, could you post a still of the non-existent frame? I would assume it's the most incriminating one with the pot lifted above her head? I did wonder how she managed to get the pot above her head at seemingly superhuman speed.
Also, even if she does, it still doesn't equate to her always having intended to do it. I just wrote you another post explaining this for what must now be the 10th time.
OP you are absolutely blind and lying.
She was not asked or ordered to turn off the stove. She sees him point to the kitchen to the other cop while she's supposed to be looking for her ID. She notices this and springs up from the couch
actually the both cops points to the stove and she gets up and say she'll get it.
one cop replies we don't need a fire alarm.
But even worse than that after rewatching the video...
at 14.01 and 14.02 you clearly hear the lady emptying said pot in the sink.
Pot was empty.
You're welcome.
Right after she empty the pot you can hear she pour in some water to fresh it up (unless you believe she has ready to pour boiled water from the tap).
Just in general, OP, if I thought something was obvious, everyone disagreed with me, and I found it very difficult to clearly articulate my reasons for thinking the way I do, I'd at least be open to re-evaluating my position. It seems that you're unwilling to entertain any opinion on this matter other than your own.
It's obvious to me that she throws the pot at the cop.
It hasnt been mentioned at all in the media.
What about the above is worth re-evaluating?
It's obvious to me that she throws the pot at the cop.
It hasnt been mentioned at all in the media.
What about the above is worth re-evaluating?
I'm not sure whether you're too stubborn or too stupid to understand what I've been trying to say to you, but I'm waving the white flag on any more good faith attempts to debate this with you.
OP you are absolutely blind and lying.
actually the both cops points to the stove and she gets up and say she'll get it.
one cop replies we don't need a fire alarm.
But even worse than that after rewatching the video...
at 14.01 and 14.02 you clearly hear the lady emptying said pot in the sink.
Pot was empty.
You're welcome.
it's post like this that I have to start ignoring. This is complete BS
Even if she did "throw" the pot with water at the cop, after doing so she dropped to the floor, so there was no longer a threat to the officer's safety (there's no way a woman of her stature could throw the pot from the floor and get it anywhere near where that officer was standing).
The officer has the right to protect himself from a threat, he doesn't have the right shoot in retaliation. I understand if you lean toward giving cops the benefit of the doubt and you think the media is biased against police officers, but that doesn't mean that there aren't some cases where officers make the wrong choice, and this is pretty clearly one of those cases. Even the George Floyd case isn't as cut-and-dried as this
I've watched video a few times and its horribly sad. The lady is clearly having some sort of mental episode and had called the police out for help.
As Sonya calmly deals with pot of water:
"I rebuke (??) you in the name of jesus"
Officers, suddenly on edge:
"Uh, what?"
Sonya, calmly again:
"I rebuke you in the name of jesus"
Officers:
*Immediately starts pulling out gun*
"Uh, please don't"
Sonya calmly:
"Okay, I'm sorry"
Officers:
*Point guns at Sonya*
"PUT THE POT DOWN, PUT THE POT DOWN"
Sonya, instantly drops to the floor
"Okay I'm sorry!"
At what point were the officers justified in pulling out their gun? The lady followed orders at every opportunity. She was literally told to mess with the pot of water. She was calmly doing what they told her when they pulled guns on her. Not only did they pull guns on her, they threatened to murder her! For doing what they said! Then they ****ing murdered her, again, for doing what they said!
There is no controversy here. Thats why the department instantly turned against him and threw him into jail. No paid leave, no therapy, straight to jail do not pass go.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with normal people having a visceral reaction to watching first person footage of an actual murder.
10 feet apart.
lady in a bathrobe with a pot of boiling water: I rebuke you in the name of jesus
cop with a gun: I'm gonna shoot you in the f*cking face
lady falls to her knees: I'm sorry!!! I'm sorry!!
cop shoots her and kills her
shttsweak: the media isn't doing it's job of telling us what a menace the woman was
I just hope shtts isn’t a gun lover .
He will end up shooting someone for not much reason at all …
I could see him sitting in prison for decades, each day waking up to the same thought something like "Am I the only one with working eyes in the world? Did they not see how the baker clearly raised her rolling pin at me and could have killed me???"
Don't do it shtts. In prison, forced feminization comes first for those who commit messed up crimes against the innocent.
10 feet apart.
lady in a bathrobe with a pot of boiling water: I rebuke you in the name of jesus
cop with a gun: I'm gonna shoot you in the f*cking face
lady falls to her knees: I'm sorry!!! I'm sorry!!
cop shoots her and kills her
shttsweak: the media isn't doing it's job of telling us what a menace the woman was
Yeah. It's fine to debunk OPs account but the bottom line is there is essentially no situation where a woman with a pot of hot water is a significant threat to a man, let alone an armed one, let alone 2.
Sure, you can dream up some scenario where you're trapped in a well and have a gun and some lady repeatedly pours boiling water on you.
However, I think a point of disconnect could be that OP is a disembodied spirit who has never experienced the corporeal world.
Otherwise, he'd know that it's very hard to "throw" water out of a pot and hit your target. That there probably wouldn't be much damage unless it landed right in your face and that it would be pretty easy to dodge or put your arm over your face so the water flies through the air, cooling, lands on your clothes then possibly burns your arm, if it gets through and is still hot enough.
Unless the woman is an Olympic athlete (especially unlikely now) a male cop will be way stronger, faster and quicker, and while she is unlikely to be trained in hand to hand, he should be. It would be pretty easy to disarm a woman with a pot.
I just imagine one of my exes trying to hit me with water thrown out of a pit and my main reaction is to laugh.
The other disconnect, Deuces already touched on with the Iraq example. OP thinks his interests matter 1000x other people's. The mind that could take a person's life to avoid a second degree burn on the elbow and sleep fine is similar to the mind that can masacre a few 100k civilians to make some stocks go up, maybe using some story about how there was a 1% chance someone would have harmed you and sleep fine.
They are actually remarkably similar stories, except the cop will go to jail instead of making a lot of money.
Apparently the most dangerous thing you can do in the US is call the cops.
This is actually kinda true. It's not the most dangerous thing, but pretty dangerous.
A bit of common wisdom among those who know these stories and the stats is that it should be a last resort.
There are a number of situations where I won't call the police because of the danger they pose. Not only shooting or beating people, or killing pets, but say, destroying their lives if they happen to have a small amount of drugs or unpaid parking tickets or whatever.
If I lived in a normal country I would call the cops in these situations, but American police are too dangerous.
Civil rights lawyer does a nice frame by frame breakdown of the event.
I am still deeply curious to see Shtts factually argue against seeing the pot left on the stove unhanded whilst simultaneously claiming that she threw the water at the cops. I'm actually almost excited, like a field trip to the zoo.
I've seen a clear breakdown of the film, I think the clearest possible. One bizarre thing is the cops yelling at her to put the water down when it was clearly on the counter.
My interpretation is she was being screamed at to put the water down when it was on the counter and not in her hands and, in an attempt to calm the officer's fears and comply with the nonsensical commands he was giving, she attempted to empty the pot by spilling it on the floor so they could see. She was following the literal commands in the only way that could make sense. He is pointing the gun at her and telling her to put the water down when it was on the counter. So she picked up the pot, while still on the ground, and emptied it.
She did not come at him. She showed extreme deference the whole time. She died complying with this roiding racist's nonsensical demands.
I mean honestly some people just have that 'itch' to kill someone. My marine corps recruiter told me the only reason he joined was to see what it would feel like to legally kill someone. Said he served in desert storm and got his wish. And you know what? I honestly wasnt even surprised he thought that would be a good selling point. I'm sure lots of kids come in wanting to play Call of Duty IRL. They may regret it afterwards when they realize bootcamp sucks but the allure is always there.
This is the 3rd or 4th police bodycam video in recent history with such outlandish levels of tomfoolery and ballyhoo it's almost comical if someone didnt have their head split open like a cantaloupe. His immediate performance for the camera decrying his fear of being burnt is all too staged; he knew he ****ed up and this was going to look bad. Really bad. Unfortunately it wont stop the next murder by cop. The morbid curiosity some possess with murder is just who they are.