IQ (moved subtopic)

Yeah. It's not even a political issue anymore. I think the hard core anti science pro smoking right gave up after it became impossible to sell the "negative health outcomes from smoking are a myth" narrative. Smokers rights or whatever are not even an issue people care about.

I didn't make this argument, and therefore I feel no obligation to defend this argument.

I doubt there is much overall difference in IQ among Republican and Democratic voters, but I also don't care if there is.

Legacy admits are still a thing for sure. Donor-related apps only get a slight bump over legacy 42% vs 35%(if you believe the internet) and there's likely some crossover involved anyway. Legacy admits can also include some kids who have a connection(broadly--school employees) other than a parent etc went there. It shouldn't really be a surprise but having say an aunt that is an admissions officer--can definitely help 😀 Overall I think those are probably tiny numbers though. But I have seen a real acceptance letter from a guy I went to school with who had one and it was from Harvard(he was from Lowell)--he thought it was cheating to go lol

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For the most part, it looks like the partisanship based on educational attainment doesn’t effect people of color as much as it does white people. And among whites, there is only a marginal difference for all educated voters.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/

Pew Research Center

2. Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

Yeah, and this seems pretty predictable if you just look at the republican platform. Being educated, non white or both makes it really tough to buy what they're trying to sell.

yet you attack luciom only when his argument was literally no different from several other posters saying the same thing

you're smarter than this and feel like you're being intentionally obtuse here to avoid conceding you were biased in your reaction which only condemned him despite that multiple people were saying the exact same thing

mind you he was refuting what others were stating by providing evidence to the contrary which is indisputably correct whereas they were just speculating - only one person in that discussion was basing it off facts and not hate and he was the one you attack

this is exactly the kind of ivory tower my anus smells like roses crap that allows people like trump to flourish in middle america because you're not just ignoring facts and putting your head in the sand to do so, but you also condemn and attack anyone who brings it up

Unless you are of vietnamese origins in which case you vote republican more than democrat in the USA

There are a million demographics that we could focus on to try and figure out which party's voters have higher IQs--race, geography, level of religiosity, level of education, income, etc.

You seem to believe that it was a matter of chance that Luciom tried to prove his point by focusing on black people. I don't think so, and I explained where I thought he would go if he were unconcerned about a ban.

But I admittedly can't know for sure. If you have a different view, so be it.

i think that's fair

but again, and i can't emphasize this enough is that you probably don't see the hate and discrimination coming from those he was debating with for the simple reason that you agree that only idiots would vote conservative

frankly, if anything, one could feasibly argue that high iq, if anything, translates to being conservative with the lone outliers of asians and jews being the only counter evidence but those are also much smaller voting populations and more likely to be single issue voters than the rest of the population

you're more likely to benefit from the more self serving policies of lowering taxes for the wealthy and reducing government regulations

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voting-patterns-in-the-2022-elections/pp_2023-07-12_validated-voters_2-01-png/

Pew Research Center

Gender gap in vote preferences persisted in 2022 – but larger shares of men and women voted for GOP candidates compared with 2018

so there's a pretty big split among men voting conservative and women voting liberal

in addition, the "educated people vote for democrats" can easily be proxied for "women voting for democrats

57% of those with college degrees vote democrat
58% of people with college degrees are women

men on average have an iq two points higher than women

and again, i can't emphasize this enough - i've never voted for a republican candidate in my entire life, majority has been 3rd party protest voting, but a few times i felt it necessary to vote democrat such as when i voted for kerry in colorado which was a swing state

i am definitely leaning further conservative as i age, but i'm still by most objective measures a liberal - you should see how i get treated in a fishing forum as a wackjob liberal for posting identically to how i post here which is predominantly liberal as opposed to those fishing ones which lean heavily conservative

Your soul read seems a little off here. I explicitly stated that (i) I wouldn't expect to see much difference in raw intelligence between GOP and Democratic voters; and (ii) I didn't care if there was a difference.

I also think that the answer to this question is totally irrelevant on the individual person level. Some of the smartest people I know are die hard GOP and some are die hard Democrats.

Come on guys, you seriously trying to tell me that the average IQ of Trump voters is going to be the same (or higher!) as the average IQ of Harris voters? I'll eat my ****ing shoe if that's true.

You don't have to defend where you fall on the political spectrum to me. I don't get to tell you how to vote.

Nah. The data isn't great, but no reason to think more Vietnamese Americans voted Trump than Clinton/Biden. It definitely was likely in the Bush to Romney era, but most college whites were voting republican as well. That was before the massive shift to stupid, that we've seen in the conservative platform. Party registration is seen as largely irrelevant as it's subject to legacy influence. West Virginia was Dem majority of registered voters while it was a solid red state in presidential elections.

Trump also saw a drop in support from Vietnamese-American voters, historically a base of Republican support among the Asian-American electorate. While 54 percent supported Romney and 67 percent supported McCain, Trump only won 32 percent of the Vietnamese-American vote.

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847/trump-lost-more-of-the-asian-american-vote-than-the-national-exit-polls-showed

NPR

Trump Lost More Of The Asian-American Vote Than The National Exit Polls Showed

Bad judgment and capacity for believing crazy **** are not solely the province of the unintelligent.

I would argue that those are some of the defining features of the unintelligent.

It will be the same. It's really, really hard to get a group of 60 million Americans that don't have an average IQ of...... average.

I agree with all the IQ haters saying that it's a **** measure then lol. Although obviously not for their reasons.

you're focusing on outliers - those people at his rallies do not represent his average voter

i'm done being surprised when i meet highly successful and intelligent people who agree trump is a clown but still vote for him - it used to surprise me, it no longer does

for many, it's not even about the candidate, they just know their business will face fewer regulations and their personal tax liability will be lower with the GOP so it's just completely self serving

also, i've mentioned this before, but take away from from twitter and the megaphone

imagine if you will that he's mute and never speaks

isolate his presidency to simply how the government functioned and it wasn't really much different from most administrations

yes some wild stuff happened with covid, but wild stuff also happened on the state level (and pretty much the entire non-asian world) as well so we'd probably get a different version of incredibly stupid takes and policies with someone else, but we'd still get a whole bunch of stupid takes and policies

chair of the fed - biden nominated to keep trump's guy powell in office
fauci - not only kept his job but also became biden's personal medical advisor (a position trump created)
border policy - he did slow down wall construction, but maintained everything trump had and even purchased the land they'd need to build upon just in case they wanted to maintain the construction pace
china policy - not only maintained the tariffs but increased them

also, a lot of the stuff he got the most criticism for turned out to be nothingburgers "omg north korea is going to nuke us" - no he correctly called their bluff, same with iran as well - he may have gotten there by a broken clock being correct twice a day, but i think he's the first executive we've ever had who actually understood how to deal with countries like iran and north korea

if not for jan 6th i wouldn't have really minded his presidency despite despising him as a person

It's not hard, just take the top 25% of income distribution

One issue voters.

My immediate family includes many Trump voters. Intelligent people voting one way.... anti-abortion. And for only that one issue; always have, always will.

the only reason his presidency is looked back on as reasonable is because he got nothing done in his first two years due to incompetence, and then nothing done in his second two years due to democratic opposition.

His foreign policy set up pretty much all the horrible **** happening during Biden’s term. Russia being emboldened because he normalized relations after they annexed crimea. Israel and Palestine going to **** because he gave netanyahu everything he wanted and supported him annexing more of WB territory. Iran now pretty much is guaranteed to be so close to having nuclear capabilities that they can’t be stopped.

He also made it so that Americans are brainwashed into thinking tariffs are amazing so now every president needs to push tariffs. His fiscal policy was horrible and he ballooned the national deficit, including his brainchild the PPP loans being a complete disaster cash transfer to unscrupulous businesspeople. Monetary policy that pretty much guarantees a multi-year long housing bubble due to home buyers not being able to leave their practically 0% loans, along with pricing out new homebuyers.

You can’t give him credit for pretty much setting any next administration up for failure economically and foreign policy wise. I truly believe that Trump is responsible for so much of the **** that is going on nowadays.

Even his horrible leadership in communicating covid science led to all the extreme policies that Luciom lamented. Imagine if instead of saying we should inject bleach he was letting the science on school closures and lockdowns speak for itself. But no, he had to turn everything into a gameshow like always.

Lol. To be fair there was some behind the scenes assumptions in what I said; namely that the IQ distribution of the population is normal to begin with. Trump supporters will be taller than Harris supporters, but only because population height is not a normal distribution but bimodal.

I am reliably informed it's pretty bell-curved.

Again the dems vs reps are like this

This is borne out if you isolate PhDs vs Bachelor degrees. Bachelor degrees are 51-47 favoring dems. PhDs are like 65-35 favoring dems or something crazy like that.

Lol yeah joking aside, I guess it depends on what you mean by "pretty". I don't see any reason why there should be as many people below 70 as above 130. Unless we've just gone in and forced the test so 5% get those scores, which is sort of circular.