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There doesn't seem to be an aviation thread anywhere so here it is

Are Boeing killing off their whistleblowers?
How on earth was there a concrete wall 200m into the overrun of the runway in South Korea?

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(There is actually a good aviation Q+A in another thread but I think W0X0F has now retired and isn't as active anymore, still worth a read though, also I can't recommend the Mentour Pilot YT channel enough, it's awesome) - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34/ot... and

RIP to all souls who died in the recent tragedies.

30 December 2024 at 03:43 PM
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very, terribly sad.

i watched the footage of south korea. the system was designed to fail.


Yeah I tried to start one or continue one in OOT - no takers. Tragic events in the last week in aviation.


I saw the video and man that plane hits that wall at high speed . I thought the folks may have burned to death but that impact looks to killed them


Statistically speaking, flying is still the safest form of travel.


so why was there a wall there?

belly landing is taught to pilots yet that runway seemed to not be fit for it


The story of the crash in South Korea has a lot of parts to it.

First of all this was in South Korea, a foreign country. Idk of any airports in the US with that type of a wall at the end of the runway, especially that close to the threshold since it also would have the opposite problem of someone breaking out too low and clipping the top of it while landing and flipping over the airplane but this wall appears to be for security, especially with all the barbed wire on it. They live next to a communist country, so their priorities are gonna be alil different than safety protocols of other countries. I don't believe this was put there to stop a plane from running off the runway.

Airports in the U.S. thankfully use a technology that slows down the plane if he rolls out too far but it's designed to make them sink into soft ground or give it friction, not crash into a brick wall.

Second of all, the problem at hand was said to be a bird strike of which CNN has a video of a birdstrike on the #2 engine while he was going around the first time (the weather was clear and sunny so it wasn't a missed instrument approach and the reason for the first go around is unknown, not even sure if the pilot told the controller since they usually ask that question once he's established on a new approach). It appears on the video the bird strike happened before he even cleared the end of the runway while he was going around the first time. Flaps and gear were fully retracted as he was configured for a climb out so they can come back for another approach.

Third, and the most questionable part of this sequence of events is the one with the most questions because nothing seems to make any sense. According to this info on CBS News, he declared a go around first, then a mayday for a bird strike while he appears to be still over the runway on takeoff, and only 3 minutes later he's already on the ground.

After an initial failed landing attempt, the Boeing 737-800 received a bird strike warning from the ground control center. It then ascended again before trying to land a second time.

Two minutes later, the plane's crew sent a distress signal and attempted to land on a different runway. The plane touched down three minutes later without lowering its [landing gear].

The article said only the nose gear was up but according to the video his mains were also up.

Normally, if you lose an engine on departure (which is essentially what happened), yes you declare an emergency and ask for vectors back to land but to be back on the runway 3 minutes later (according to CBS news) just doesn't make sense unless he lost total power, but he was coming in pretty fast for having no power after leaving the runway. There's protocols and checklists they have to go through which takes more than 3 minutes. If this was a regular departure and not a go around, they might be too heavy to land right away anyway so they'd have to go dump or burn fuel.

With the info at hand so far, it looks like this guy hit a bird, declared a mayday, and immediately turned back in a panic mode to land without going over all the emergency checklists or troubleshooting which would of had him also configure the airplane properly. He came in without any flaps and with his landing gear up, almost like he said "omg I hit something! I gotta land right now!". Of course there could be more info to this story that could change my analysis but these are even bigger questions than why was there a retaining wall there.

Sources:
Clean configuration upon gear-in landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdGTm5Z...
Birdstrike video at 8:00
https://youtu.be/DNFLCkoSPxI?si=G30eEUzu...

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