Do we need user moderated or unmoderated threads?

Gone option 2 - unmoderated threads but AI removes personal attacks

For the Politics forum, I hate all of these options.

1 would be great if you want to make it super easy to create threads devoted to race science, etc. And what happens if you don't want to moderate a thread that you create? Would there be a moderator who volunteered to moderate such threads. I would be very disinclined to create a thread if I had to moderate it.

2 also would be great if you want to make it super easy to create threads devoted to race science, etc.

3 wouldn't be effective in Politics. In the overwhelminging majority of cases, there would not be multiple people who wanted to moderate a thread. In other words, there would be nothing to vote on.

Anything is fine as an experiment, but you would need to prepared to walk the changes back almost immediately if things went sideways.

FWIW, my concerns are mostly specific to the Politics subforum.

i like the idea of ai moderation but from what i've seen in the limon thread there's far too many false positives to be relied upon

i think the real thing is just make it clear to mods that their moderation starts and ends at spam and violent threats - way too many mods moderate over subjective matters of taste

We need an enlightened philosopher king mod but Well Named has moved on unfortunately.

lol, what is even the point of using AI to replace volunteer moderators?

censorship is illegal and considering limiting personal attacks, that are not violent in nature, is wrong.

How about just enforcing the rules in place ?

1. No personal attacks.
2. No threatening, wishing harm upon others, or “doxxing”.

max if you did a forensic review of what led to most bannings of long term users - you'll see almost none were banned for threats, attacks, or spamming but rather they refused to toe the line on moderation's view of acceptable ideologies

bannings have happened for such things as phresh refusing to agree that men can become pregnant

Agreed

I could see some benefit to having a user moderated thread for similarly minded people to discuss things without dealing with the opposing opinions or being able to eliminate them. For example, Uke could moderate a thread titled “how to provide affirmation to transgender youth” and he could eliminate all the drive by comments from Blowie and wreckem or Mets could run the thread “how to assist Israel in its war” without genocide victor comments.

Give the thread starter blog like powers.

None of those ideas seems like a particularly useful idea. I think we should more or less stick with the current model of a few mods applying their discretion, however imperfectly that may be. I suppose if you think it is worth the effort to have the AI get rid of egregious spam or whatever, that's fine if you wish to make the effort but I wouldn't bother.

I think one of the challenges about sort of like user-moderated or voting based participatory moderation is that like most people are apathetic and don't care, and those that do care usually seem entrenched on bizarre turf battles trying to gain little edges via moderation action like its all a bit silly but hey its an archaic internet forum so what else does one expect.

Because you want most threads to function like the thread starter's blog?

will just turn into a liberal echo chamber mirroring mainstream media. people can go to UP for that.

I’m saying a “what can the dems do to win in 2028” thread could weed out victor claiming dems and reps are the same and Luciom from turning it into an anti Marxist diatribe.

I don’t think it works for all topics.

I should have clarified in the first post: I didn't mean those features as a replacement for how things are right now. It's just an additional way—you create a thread and have the choice to select some non-standard options for moderation.

It would take me around 20 hours to add those features, so I thought I would ask. If there's enough people interested, I would add them soon; if not, then not soon. 😀

max if you are going to do that, do not allow regular users to ban or give infractions please

but my guess is it'd be bad, someone starts a thread and bans viewpoints he doesn't like and then those people go to you to complain and make it your problem, either that or multiple threads on single subjects - which isn't good for anyone

This.

And this.

However, I could see it being useful in other forums here. So I certainly wouldn't develop it for Politics, but if there are other forums where it's truly useful and wanted and worth investing the 20 hours, you could always try it in this forum once it's developed .

In the history of 2+2, have blog thread starters ever had the ability to infract or ban people? I thought they could just erase posts in their blog and ask a mod to ban a participant?

In Politics..... I suspect the AI bot deleting personal attacks will be hilarious as you attempt to tweak to make it actually useful ..... which seems like a pipe dream.