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British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

01 June 2019 at 06:29 AM
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by jalfrezi

But how is any sex or gender using men's toilets different to letting men use women's toilets and calling them unisex? All you're doing is changing the sign on the door and getting rid of urinals.

the same as "everyone should be allowed to compete in men sports but women sports are only for biological women".

women, biological actual women, are a group we want to protect.

now for the 1000th time , even if you are obsessed by toilets, that's not a major issue.

but if an adult biological man with a dick wants to share locker rooms in an indoor swimming pool with my 10y daughter well that's already a significant enough issue.

if you don't understand why biological women wanting to share locker rooms with my son aren't instead an issue at all, are you even human?


And this goes back to the original question of how you'd know that the person in question has a dick.

If a law's unenforceable it's just a bad law.


by jalfrezi

And this goes back to the original question of how you'd know that the person in question has a dick.

If a law's unenforceable it's just a bad law.

it is enforceable because what we want people to be able to do is to scream if they find a dick in a women toilet, locker room, and so on and ask for help.

we want women to be able to ask for the removal of people with dicks from their spaces.

we want women to be able to do so without being legally harassed and prevented from accessing say that pool, which is something that actually happened.

it is enforceable enough where it matters.

you can physically drive without a license but the fact you can occasionally be asked for a license and pay a price if you are found without one is enough.

and yes some women will scream about a dick having entered and then it will be the 1 in a zillion bearded biological woman once in a blue moon, and so be it.

same as a secret service agent will be talking on the phone while driving and be exempt from that rule while doing so and once in a blue moon he will be stopped for that and will have to explain the special case to the officer.

not sure why you think it will be hard to verify who has a dick or not in a locker room


by Luciom

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you can physically drive without a license but the fact you can occasionally be asked for a license and pay a price if you are found without one is enough.

Your analogies are uniformly terrible. Traffic police pull people over if they have a reason and ask to see their licence (or details to check whether they have a licence). Are you suggesting Toilet police with the power of strip search? Or are you suggesting a vagina licence?


by jalfrezi

Your analogies are uniformly terrible. Traffic police pull people over if they have a reason and ask to see their licence (or details to check whether they have a licence). Are you suggesting Toilet police with the power of strip search? Or are you suggesting a vagina licence?

I am suggesting to let women enforce it in their spaces: they will scream for help when they feel it's necessary and now will be allowed to do so without legal repercussions because of purported discrimination of trans people.

And yes if guards, law enforcement, employees of a facility or whomever else see what looks like a man entering a women bathroom or locker room or other women-only space they can stop that person and ask.


The law mainly relates to service providers. This, and the law regarding users of single-sex provisions, has always been the same. Certain lobby groups have lately been telling providers that it had changed, but it hadn't. Men in the wrong space can be asked to leave and can't sue. If nobody notices or nobody minds, then there isn't a problem. But in a changing room, for instance, they're quite likely to notice and mind.


by Luciom

I am suggesting to let women enforce it in their spaces: they will scream for help when they feel it's necessary and now will be allowed to do so without legal repercussions because of purported discrimination of trans people.And yes if guards, law enforcement, employees of a facility or whomever else see what looks like a man entering a women bathroom or locker room or other w

So they ask and the reply is ‘yes I’m a woman’. What happens next in La La Luciomland?


by jalfrezi

So they ask and the reply is ‘yes I’m a woman’. What happens next in La La Luciomland?


They'll tell him to get lost, but this is not a thing that is likely to happen any more than it has since time began, it's an invented scenario.


I trust starmer is going to learn the lesson from these elections that he needs to move labour even further and faster to the right.


"The message I take out of these elections is that we need to go further and we need to go faster on the change that people want to see."


Populism for Keith, the people’s prat.


Women working in women’s refuge centres dispute the narrative around trans women


by jalfrezi

Populism for Keith, the people’s PRAT.

I had to look that up... I am going to immediately insert that word into my insult library!

The Current Democrat Left leaning party/parties is/are overflowing with Prat's...


Reform on the march whilst the cockwomble across the pond is still doing stuff unchecked is a total ****ing downer.


Independent is reporting that the tories are already plotting to get rid of comical Kemi in light of the local election results.

I guess this opens up the door to the equally batshit insane Jenrick if Fromage is still ruling out returning to the Tories.


well, she is useless


by diebitter

Reform on the march whilst the cockwomble across the pond is still doing stuff unchecked is a total ****ing downer.

If all the green and liberal voters had voted left, reform + Tories would have lost.

But keep going third fourth and fifth party


There’s a wide divergence of opinion about what the left is among people who would call themselves leftists. Starmer is not a man of the left in any of their books and neither is Davey, so your thesis is pretty ****ed.


by jalfrezi

There’s a wide divergence of opinion about what the left is among people who would call themselves leftists. Starmer is not a man of the left in any of their books and neither is Davey, so your thesis is pretty ****ed.

and reform and the Tories aren't the same either.

my thesis is that if you vote green you help reform. and that's in the data.

unless you think labor is identically as bad as reform in which case it's all ok, except you can't say that reform growing in power is a threat. not more than labor anyway.

which instead is what leftists claim regularly.

you can either consider reform more dangerous than labor, and then you have a moral duty to vote labor everytime the election in your area isn't already won by a specific party, or you can think labor is identically as bad as reform and vote green and then whine no matter who wins with the same intensity.

you cannot from the left of labor consider reform worse than labor and not vote labor though, not in a first past the post country


On the southern banks of the River Mersey in Cheshire, from the post-industrial town of Runcorn to the Conservative villages around Frodsham, Reform UK had united an uneasy coalition of voters against Labour. One party activist described its supporters as a combination of “those who set their alarm for work in the morning and are angry at those who don’t – and those who don’t”.

Labour, meanwhile, had relied on those who despise Farage – and they span all political shades – but it was not enough to save their 14,700-vote majority. Many had voted for Reform UK as a protest against the government. Others expressed their displeasure more creatively. “I’ve never seen so many drawings of penises,” said one seasoned Labour campaigner after examining spoiled ballot papers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202...


British scientists are “over the moon” to be back in the EU’s flagship science research programme Horizon after a three-year Brexit lockout, with new data revealing they have been awarded about £500m in grants since re-entry.

As the EU secretly draws up strategies for the next seven-year funding cycle in 2027, the UK is hoping its success in the first 12 months since returning to Horizon will leave it in pole position with Germany and France to dominate European science, despite Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025...


It’s happening. 😀😂😂

Remember before she became leader how the media feted her as a “rising star” and told us she had charisma by the bucketload?

One Tory MP: "If we give Kemi another year it could be curtains for us. There are no policies, no ideas, no strategy and she has no charisma."

Another: "These results were actually worse than last year’s GE. We have somehow gone backwards."


New trade deal with India rumoured to contained corporate courts clause which enables multinational companies to sue governments in bespoke tribunals outside national legal systems, over policies they perceive to damage the value of their investments. In these claims, businesses have challenged everything from increases to the minimum wage to health legislation for plain packaging cigarettes to windfall taxes.


Brexit opportunities!


by jalfrezi

New trade deal with India rumoured to contained corporate courts clause which enables multinational companies to sue governments in bespoke tribunals outside national legal systems, over policies they perceive to damage the value of their investments. In these claims, businesses have challenged everything from increases to the minimum wage to health legislation for plain packag

No, that's not included in the FTA (Free Trade Agreement). Talks continue on a BIT (Bilateral Investment Treaty) to replace the 1995 one that India resiled from in 2017. ISDS (Investor States Dispute Resolution, the so-called corporate courts system) would be part of the BIT, but India tends to be resistant to this. The UK favours it because nobody in their right mind wants UK companies to get ensnared in the Indian courts if they can help it, which is understandable if you know anything about the Indian courts. ISDS does not necessarily mean what dungaree-wearing activists like to claim it does.

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