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In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there a

12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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lozen is actually roughly correct in this instance. Firstly the quote you're talking about was from a lawsuit against specifically Tucker Carlson's show that Fox actually won using the argument that reasonable people wouldn't believe that what Carlson was saying is factual. And Maddow won a similar lawsuit defending against OAN suing her for saying that the network is "paid Russian propaganda" with the judge similarly saying "a reasonable viewer would not conclude the statement implies an assertion of fact".

Of course the scale of the two incidents is vastly different, with Carlson basically making up an entire argument out of thin air whereas Maddow was being hyperbolic about an uncontested fact that at least one OAN reporter was also paid to publish content in a Russian propaganda outfit. Not to mention that Fox did subsequently settle another suit for the ~$800million figure you mentioned resulting from Carlson's claims about Dominion voting systems (the trial didn't happen or it probably would have seen similar arguments again).

Ultimately all of this is about specific shows on the networks though. I think it's pretty much inarguable that MSNBC has a far greater level of factual reporting overall than Fox but both networks have a pretty wide range from show to show.


by coordi

Ice agents will crash into your car, pull guns on you, and rip you out of your car kicking and screaming

Somehow the guy taking the video managed to be more annoying than the ICE agents.


by Willd

lozen is actually roughly correct in this instance. Firstly the quote you're talking about was from a lawsuit against specifically Tucker Carlson's show that Fox actually won using the argument that reasonable people wouldn't believe that what Carlson was saying is factual. And Maddow won a similar lawsuit defending against OAN suing her for saying that the network is "paid Rus

They tried to use the Carlson lawsuit as precidence in the dominion case

I’m not sure I agree with the connection to maddow calling her content opinion


by coordi

They tried to use the Carlson lawsuit as precidence in the dominion case

I’m not sure I agree with the connection to maddow calling her content opinion

Maddow is similar to Jesse Waters on FOX


Like your writing is similar to Woodward and Bernstein’s.


by ecriture d'adulte

Like your writing is similar to Woodward and Bernstein’s.

Not even close my grammar is slightly better than Montreal


by lozen

Maddow is similar to Jesse Waters on FOX

No chance. I'm not a Maddow fan but she is Walter Cronkite compared to WatTers (and Gutfeld)


by lozen

That is total BS there was no profanity on the hat . The guy even acknowledges if his hat had F u or something like that he deserves it Source ?

The hat said

Um, the source was you.

"Ass" certainly isn't the foulest language imaginable, but I would have gotten my mouth washed out with soap for saying it around my parents when I was a kid.

And that word is obviously why the crew was trying to get him to remove his hat.

Lol, I just reread the article you shared, and it wouldn't even use the word "ass", rendering it as "a--". Yet you still couldn't figure out that was the profanity I meant and why they had a problem with it? Next time try not to share articles that you don't even understand.


by ecriture d'adulte

Tennessee Man Arrested for posting insensitive memes

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/tenn...

To be fair, this fits in with my understanding of right wing views on free speech, wokeness etc.

This is one of the craziest things I have ever read. Could anyone have seriously thought that post implied a threat, and seriously worried about it? I have always considered the majority of Americans to be idiots, but I didn't think anyone could be that stupid.


by Willd

lozen is actually roughly correct in this instance. Firstly the quote you're talking about was from a lawsuit against specifically Tucker Carlson's show that Fox actually won using the argument that reasonable people wouldn't believe that what Carlson was saying is factual. And Maddow won a similar lawsuit defending against OAN suing her for saying that the network is "paid Rus

Wikipedia says that Maddow was summarizing an article by The Daily Beast when she said that about the OAN reporter. Obviously discussing something said by another news source doesn't imply that it is necessarily accurate.


by chillrob

This is one of the craziest things I have ever read. Could anyone have seriously thought that post implied a threat, and seriously worried about it? I have always considered the majority of Americans to be idiots, but I didn't think anyone could be that stupid.

Sounds like political bullying .
Free speech is only good for the far right people and its narratives .


by chillrob

Wikipedia says that Maddow was summarizing an article by The Daily Beast when she said that about the OAN reporter. Obviously discussing something said by another news source doesn't imply that it is necessarily accurate.

The article said the stuff about the OAN reporter being paid for publication in the Russian progaganda outlet but as far as I'm aware it didn't say anything about the station as a whole, which is what Maddow was sued for; specifically she said that OAN "literally is paid Russian propaganda", which I think is a lot more than the article she was pulling from said.


Yeah that quote is in Wikipedia as well, but as it's incomplete I can't really tell exactly what it's referring to.

But OAN's suit was also deemed to be frivolous and they were made to pay money to MSNBC, which I don't believe happened with the suits against Fox.


by chillrob

Yeah that quote is in Wikipedia as well, but as it's incomplete I can't really tell exactly what it's referring to.

But OAN's suit was also deemed to be frivolous and they were made to pay money to MSNBC, which I don't believe happened with the suits against Fox.

Oh yeah, I mentioned it was a completely different scale to the Fox suit. Maddow's show is generally at least is based on facts but with a lot of opinion and hyperbole around them. Carlson's show was frequently completely unrelated to anything factual at all and the eventual suit that cost Fox nearly a $1billion to settle was an almost inevitable result of that.


A Tennessee man was arrested for posting a meme quoting the sitting president. The prosecutor is gaslighting saying that there was an intent to cause mass hysteria about a shooting. This is the offending image:


As a lawyer put it in the article: “quote the president, go to jail”. He was given a 2 million dollar bond which means the judge apparently is so ******ed they think there’s a danger to the community from facebook memes.

Tennessee Man Arrested, Gets $2 Million Bond for Posting Facebook Meme
Larry Bushart posted a meme on a local Facebook page about Charlie Kirk. He now faces years in prison.

JOE LANCASTER | 10.10.2025 12:46 PM
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Larry Bushart's mugshot, with a Facebook toolbar superimposed in the background. | Illustration: Eddie Marshall | Jcuneok | Dreamstime.com | Midjourney
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After the murder of conservative activist Charlie Kirk in September, many on the political right set out to punish anyone making light of the tragedy, or even simply being insufficiently upset. In one of the more brazen examples, a Tennessee man was arrested, accused of threatening a school shooting, and held on a $2 million bond, for posting a somewhat uncivil meme on Facebook.

Larry Bushart, a 61-year-old former police officer, posted the offending meme last month. In response to a Facebook post about an upcoming vigil for Kirk, Bushart shared an image of President Donald Trump with the quote, "We have to get over it," which Trump said in January 2024 after a shooting at Iowa's Perry High School. Text added to the image said, "This seems relevant today."

Bushart did not elaborate, but the context seems clear: Why should I care about this shooting, when the sitting president said I should "get over" this other shooting?

The image was one of several Bushart posted, and it was far from the most offensive. Still, it certainly feels crass; as people mourned a brutal public murder, Bushart snidely used the occasion to make a partisan political point. But it's certainly well within the bounds of average social media discourse, and you certainly wouldn't expect it to bring the attention of the local police.

"Received a visit from Lexington PD regarding my posted memes," Bushart wrote in a September 21 Facebook status. According to Sheriff Nick Weems of nearby Perry County, "numerous…teachers, parents and students" somehow interpreted Bushart's meme—with its citation in fine print about a previous school shooting at Perry High School in Perry, Iowa—as a threat to carry out a similar shooting at nearby Perry County High School.

According to the Perry County Sheriff's Office website, Bushart was arrested the following morning on a charge of Threats of Mass Violence on School Property and Activities—a class E felony punishable by between one and six years in prison and up to a $3,000 fine. Worse, Bushart's bail is set at an astonishing $2 million.

Mug shot and inmate listing for Larry G. Bushart, Jr, 61-year-old white male arrested 9/22/2025 by Perry County Sheriff's Office on charge of Threats of Mass Violence on School Property and Activites, $2 million bond.
Perry County Sheriff's Office
Under a Tennessee law that went into effect July 1, anyone posting bond must put up at least 10 percent of the total amount, and bail bondsmen must charge a "premium fee" of at least five percent of the total bond amount. Even just to get out of jail ahead of trial, state law says Bushart would have to pay a bondsman at least $210,000.

The Perry County Circuit Court website indicates Bushart had a motion hearing scheduled for October 9, but when reached by phone Friday, a court clerk told Reason the hearing was "reset" for December 4.

Bushart posted the Trump meme "to indicate or make the audience think it was referencing our Perry High School," Weems told The Tennesseean in a statement. "Investigators believe Bushart was fully aware of the fear his post would cause and intentionally sought to create hysteria within the community." Weems also told local radio station WOPC the meme "eluded [sic] to a hypothetical shooting at a place called Perry High School."

This justification is downright laughable. In its entirety, the post consists of a direct quote of a statement by the then-former president about a newsworthy event, with text providing context, plus a four-word phrase added. Bushart didn't even create the meme: The Tennesseean's Angele Latham noted it had been "posted numerous times across multiple social media platforms not connected to Bushart going back to 2024."

"Quote the President of the United States, go to jail," Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, posted on X.


by campfirewest

Somehow the guy taking the video managed to be more annoying than the ICE agents.

Well that’s one take




Such fine upstanding citizens, them repubs are

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/20...

Speaker Mike Johnson is shrugging off news that a judge granted the request for a restraining order against embattled Rep. Cory Mills sought by the Florida Republican’s former girlfriend.

Asked again about allegations of simple assault against Mills, along with previous charges that he misrepresented his military career, Johnson referred further questions to Mills and called him a “faithful colleague.”



Among the examples cited Tuesday are a post said to be from an Argentine national who said that Kirk "'devoted his entire life spreading racist, xenophobic, misogynistic rhetoric' and deserves to burn in hell"; another said to be from a South African national who "mocked Americans grieving the loss of Kirk, saying 'they're hurt that the racist rally ended in attempted martyrdom' and alleging 'he was used to astroturf a movement of white nationalist trailer trash'"; and a Paraguayan national who allegedly said, "Charlie Kirk was a son of a b**** and he died by his own rules".

The State Department said it also revoked visas from a Mexican national, a Brazilian national and a German national.




land of the free, babyyy


sounds like another century has past while only been a decade his gone and how politics changed in such a short time frame .


by coordi

The important part is to purge bots slightly slower than bot accounts are created.

This way you can say you are taking measures against bots, but you still get inflated traffic, growth and account numbers.


Very strongly believe this was a total farcical psyop

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