Moderation Questions

I of course would concede that that some people understand the world better than others. I wasn't claiming otherwise.

My point was that you should be skeptical when people who promote cruelty claim that their views are a consequence of being brave enough to see the world as it really is.

rick,

The view that there should be rules regarding the participation of transgender athletes in higher level women's athletics is a widely held view in this forum. Most of the debate has been about where you draw the line, and how big an issue it really is.

you misunderstood - i'm a history buff and was a political science major in college - most of my free time is spent reading historical non-fiction - if i'm watching something on television, it's usually an animal documentary like blue planet

you read enough about ancient history and spend enough time debating it in 3 hour long classes sitting around a circular table and you will begin to see a lot of parallels to how a group of chimpanzees interact

i don't think human nature has changed over time - we just no longer need to resort to such things anymore because we have the luxury of not fighting for survival

there's good reason whenever scifi distopian stuff is made, they generally center it around some apocalyptic event like famine, disease or natural disaster that drives humanity back to the fight or flight mode to unleash what drove our evolution for most of our existence

it's especially jarring reading ancient history, stuff predating written language where we can only infer from scant archaeological evidence - for example, whenever the chinese dig up an ancient site, they always mark any non han chinese skeletons they find as slaves because they know for a fact that it couldn't be anything else

i think any of you disagreeing with his stuff should pick up a book on the shang or qin dynasties and it would make your stomach churn

much of lucs "this is how the world really is" stuff is stuff i've agreed with long before i knew of his existence

yes, he uses it as a crutch to justify some of his rather unsavory views - but a lot of it is still very much grounded in reality

Democrats didn't have any hand in Lia competing you potato. That was the NCAA's decision and their decision alone.

Schools don't tell 6 year olds to be trans

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to you. You are just buying into nonsense over and over and over

My trans niece has anti trans parents, goes to school with anti trans people, didn't have a libtard teacher, and wasn't influenced or brainwashed by anyone. Shes just trans. Period. This conversation is so ****ing ******ed I'm starting to get angry

It does sometimes give off Jägerchor vibes, especially when you guys get into the Roman Empire and Genghis Khan stuff etc. Very fun.

rick,

You aren't going to one up me on this point. I also was a poli sci major, and I focused mainly on political theory, especially ancient political theory. I've spent plenty of time in 3 hour classes devoted to Thucydides.

this is absolutely untrue

Its absolutely true you ****ign potato

yeah i get it, i'm in no way or shape saying the school made her do it - these things are not mutually exclusive

i think everything should be done to help your niece navigate that difficult journey but it should be done in a way to tell every child "and you are trans too if you want to be"

Interesting. As a lefty kind of guy, what things do you think Lucio "sees clearly?"

i was not trying to one up anyone, i was simply pointing out that my agreement with him was well formed 20 years ago

uke was more interested in discussing transgender issues than anyone else in this forum, and he explicitly agreed that there should be rules related to higher-level athletics. I said several times that if Joel Embiid came out as transgender and wanted to play in the WNBA after taking hormones for a prescribed period (an admittedly absurd hypothetical), that should not be allowed. I don't recall anyone ever disagreeing with me.

List 5 regulars you think would disagree with that.

no it is not, you have repeatedly stated that trans athletes should be allowed to compete

there are a few who agree that at ncaa and above they shouldn't be allowed

but it in order to annoy the pedants here, i'll incorrectly use this phrase, that it begs the question what the opposition to me saying "lia shouldn't have been allowed to compete" and "10 year olds shouldn't be put on puberty blockers" get me labeled as transphobic if we all agree on that?

no, but if i made the same rhetorical argument i'd be labeled a hateful transphobe who needs to stop freaking out and over reacting with absurd hypotheticals - would you not agree with that?

I’m against trans women participating in professional or collegiate women’s sports, I just don’t blow it out of proportion into the most important issue or even an important issue at all…

I’m much more worried about the destruction of trans rights that has happened under this administration.

I'm firmly against allowing all trans athletes to participate in women's sports and think there should absolutely be a well-researched rule for where the line should be drawn. I'd have to be thoroughly convinced that the line shoudl be at ZERO trans athletes being allowed to participate in women's sports, and I have yet to be even partially convinced of that.

My stance was we should defer to experts which at that time had a specific scientific process and nobody agreed with me despite the fact that leaning on experts is the process for everything

Are you asking whether I believe you are held to a different standard than I am? If that's your question, the answer is no.

#metoo

This is pretty much where I am.

anime doesn't involve real people, that's a different topic.

And btw the most depraved anime porn imaginable doesn't touch me as much as finding out some people actually believe in astrology.

I mean i got my skin tough seeing people eating pineapple pizza. After that, there is no perversion that can tilt me

and again, it's very telling when your biggest example of someone who was against trans athletes competing in high level competitions has many posts advocating the exact opposite if you casually search posts by uke containing the word lia

below are several instances of him supporting biological males competing as women in both the ncaa and olympics

i'm sure we'd find much more substantial posts if we went over it with a fine toothed comb

roc they can't agree with the embiid thing because that example forces them to concede just how utterly absurd they are - but when you remove the obvious and make it more obscure, they'll happily jump back in on the "let everyone compete" nonsense

uke saying it's ok for someone with xy chromosomes to compete in the olympics

uke saying lia should be allowed to compete

uke again saying look how fair it is - lia should be allowed to compete

i don't blow it out of proportion - as mentioned earlier, it's basically the only thing i post about that gets heavy doses of responses - look at all the stuff i post here that gets crickets and then i mention lia thomas once and it starts a 100 post conversation

you are also not a zealot, i admire your rational opinions

Did Bobo pass away?