President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
The DOGE Subcommittee is holding it's first live hearing.
The findings aren't "waste"; it's theft, corruption and fraud but the libs are having a hard time realizing this, probably because they're all paid off by the same criminals.
They're actually calling Musk a fraudster/power grabber lmfao!
LOL, watched a fragment. So now we know why the inspector generals who are tasked with rooting out fraud and waste were fired. They were investigating Tesla and spacex.
So, yeah, musk is a fraudster and a power grabber.
Thanks for the link.
Yeah, it's sad though watching these libs melt down over Elon... "He occupied the Oval Office yesterday, BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR him!!!"
Money's the route of all evil.
Money what make a man act funny.
Don't forget he tarnished Earth by wearing a Hat indoors.
Hey, don't sell the kid short, his full given name is "X Æ A-Xii".
Somehow I'm guessing that a lot of Trump/Musk supporters have at some time mocked Hollywood hippies who give their kids names like River, Apple, and Dweezil, yet turn a blind eye to this monstrosity of a name.
I have a vision of this father/son relationship ending in the same manner as the one in the song, made famous by Johnny Cash, "A Boy Named Sue".
Never understood mocking Dweezil when his sisters are named Moon Unit and Diva Muffin.
The DOGE team leads are also given approval powers over hiring and firing decisions at their respective agencies, with only the agency heads having the authority to override them.
Damn, I'm wrong again.
Why we appropriated north of HALF A BILLION to hotels is beyond me. I get their business would suffer but that is truckloads of cash. I don't know where the inflection point is, emotionally speaking. But someone got PAID, and if right or wrong, it's clearly wrong, imo.
500 million is .01% of government revenue
Normal people just can't fathom the scale of which our government operates
500 million is .01% of government revenue
Normal people just can't fathom the scale of which our government operates
500M here, 500M there, sooner or later you are talking real money. Have to start from what you can find.
The counter of "it's small", while true, isn't actually a counter. Yes it's small. Still bad, get rid of it entirely, move on to the other hundreds of expenses you can cut as well.
500M here, 500M there, sooner or later you are talking real money. Have to start from what you can find.
The counter of "it's small", while true, isn't actually a counter. Yes it's small. Still bad, get rid of it entirely, move on to the other hundreds of expenses you can cut as well.
You are saying its bad. I would need a thorough analysis to even begin to say one way or the other because its complex.
You are out of your depth and talking out your ass calling it bad. Your little country, while a relative powerhouse, is puny and incomparable to the US. You don't have nearly the advantages we do and many issues we dont. You just can't understand, its impossible
You are saying its bad. I would need a thorough analysis to even begin to say one way or the other because its complex.
You are out of your depth and talking out your ass calling it bad. Your little country, while a relative powerhouse, is puny and incomparable to the US. You don't have nearly the advantages we do and many issues we dont. You just can't understand, its impossible
What's complex? not a single dollar should be spent to improve the life of illegals, full stop, resourced directed to them should exclusively be used to DEPORT THEM. Where is the complexity?
ofc if you like illegals and hate the rule of law (which prescribes deporting illegal and makes it a crime to help them hide) you won't agree.
Anyone can understand how not helping illegals rather deporting them is in the best interest of taxpayers of any country.
What's complex? not a single dollar should be spent to improve the life of illegals, full stop, resourced directed to them should exclusively be used to DEPORT THEM. Where is the complexity?
ofc if you like illegals and hate the rule of law (which prescribes deporting illegal and makes it a crime to help them hide) you won't agree.
Anyone can understand how not helping illegals rather deporting them is in the best interest of taxpayers of any country.
You have no clue how to even begin estimating how much it would cost to deport them.
You have no clue what kind of taxes they are providing.
This makes your entire comment full blown Luciom produced bullshit with no reference to the real world. Its just a reflection of your over active emotional state
Luc.... did you know that illegal immigrants with "legit" jobs had to get hired somehow..... including the employer being required to send in ID information to the states?
Then (with a fake ID assumed) the employer is required to withhold federal and state taxes.
What percentage of "those guys" file tax returns yearly to recoup the prepaid tax that is above their actual taxes? Seems like the gov't is stealing wage tax money. FRAUD!
Trump said Musk is a special unpaid employee and exempt from any financial disclosure statements and is shielding DOGE from the FOIA to keep DOGE records sealed until 2034.
Anyone claiming that Musk is doing some kind of anti-corruption transparency in government thing is some combination of idiot and troll.
This is beautiful.
Luc.... did you know that illegal immigrants with "legit" jobs had to get hired somehow..... including the employer being required to send in ID information to the states?
Then (with a fake ID assumed) the employer is required to withhold federal and state taxes.
What percentage of "those guys" file tax returns yearly to recoup the prepaid tax that is above their actual taxes? Seems like the gov't is stealing wage tax money. FRAUD!
Yes. This is huge. Tons of people doing the work everyone needs in order to live have fake social security numbers and are paying taxes.
And real right-libertarians, not fascists pretending to be libertarians, recognize this.
In other words, do immigrants impose a burden on taxpayers? In our recent paper, “The Fiscal Impact of Immigration in the United States,” we investigate this question and find that immigrants pay more in taxes than they consume in benefits, on average.
Yes. This is huge. Tons of people doing the work everyone needs in order to live have fake social security numbers and are paying taxes.
And real right-libertarians, not fascists pretending to be libertarians, recognize this.
Man the cite you picked is about *all immigrants* which obviously are net tax payers (in the USA), given the incredible attractiveness for the best and the brightest of the world of american wages and rewards for the really talented.
Your link doesn't disaggregate illegals though, not sure why you thought it answered the topic at hand.
If you want to claim that immigration in general is good for the USA i do agree.
But topic is illegals.
Typical tactic of pro-illegal people is to use the taxed paid by great immigrants to justify the economically bad ones.
Yes. This is huge. Tons of people doing the work everyone needs in order to live have fake social security numbers and are paying taxes.
And real right-libertarians, not fascists pretending to be libertarians, recognize this.
I don't know how anyone could do real earnest research into the subject and come to any conclusion other than immigration is the USA's secret sauce.
They are the main driver of GDP growth, bootstrapping the bottom end of our economy while their children are more educated and earn more than the average white counterpart.
Just think about the type of person who is motivated to migrate with next to nothing to a place where their exclusive goal is to make a better life for their family. This is the antithesis to the lazy entitled white sterotype.
Now, obviously, the cruelty is the point for many. Yeah, white share is eroding and this terrifies some people. Sounds like a skill issue to me though. Do these underachievers want a welfare state? (no)
Man the cite you picked is about *all immigrants* which obviously are net tax payers (in the USA), given the incredible attractiveness for the best and the brightest of the world of american wages and rewards for the really talented.
Your link doesn't disaggregate illegals though, not sure why you thought it answered the topic at hand.
If you want to claim that immigration in general is good for the USA i do agree.
But topic is illegals.
Typical tactic of pro-illegal people is to use the taxed paid
Man the cite you picked is about *all immigrants* which obviously are net tax payers (in the USA), given the incredible attractiveness for the best and the brightest of the world of american wages and rewards for the really talented.
Your link doesn't disaggregate illegals though, not sure why you thought it answered the topic at hand.
If you want to claim that immigration in general is good for the USA i do agree.
But topic is illegals.
Typical tactic of pro-illegal people is to use the taxed paid
People who provide much of the food and housing in the US are great immigrants.
Republicans have become increasingly bold about saying this is all about white replacement. Guys like Tucker Carlson who can't deny the benefit of undocumented workers, talk about replacement and culture. They are being honest. Taxes and social services have nothing to do with it.
Ok let's agree on 97 bln in revenue for 11M illegals.
Where is the part related to their presence fiscal cost, and the inflationary effect on housing?
Curious that when discussing net contribution you only produce a source that estimates taxes paid
Republicans have become increasingly bold about saying this is all about white replacement. Guys like Tucker Carlson who can't deny the benefit of undocumented workers, talk about replacement and culture. They are being honest. Taxes and social services have nothing to do with it.
There is definitely posts from 2019ish where I am lamenting something along the lines of "I can full acknowledge that being a minority is not a good thing, and if white people want to frame the immigration issue as a shrinking majority it would be a lot more palatable and real than framing them as criminals or harmful to the economy. But this would force them to acknowledge the oppression that minority groups have received up to this point, and that goes against their messaging"
Now they just don't give a **** because they've groomed out any and all critical thinking from their base. They just slurp up one talking point, **** it out, and slurp up the next, with zero introspection or accountability.
People who provide much of the food and housing in the US are great immigrants.
In the counterfactual of 0 illegals being tolerated, you can't assume the rest untouched.
OF COURSE if 0 illegals were tolerated and the rule of law was applied as written, pressure from some specific sectors to legalize specific immigration useful for supply will grow so much that they will get what they need.
With much lower aggregated negative externality and, you know, by making the rule of law real again.
By tolerating illegal immigration especially in the amount it was tolerated until recently, you lose the ability to filter immigration properly, you do create significant damage to the portion of illegals which could be really useful new legal residents and citizens in the future, and you charge the country with the upkeep costs of uneconomically viable people which should never had been allowed to enter and become a burden to taxpayers in perpetuity.
All this while birthright citizenship creates the monstrosity of citizens having illegal parents and all that entails.
But for agriculture and housing and hospitality having lower access to cheap work would be better as it would create the necessity of higher capital investment to increase productivity (which is horrendous and has an horrendous trend in housing and hospitality), which, let me remind you, is the only way to increase material per capita prosperity.
By tolerating massive amounts of illegal immigration you causally determine lower capex than the counterfactual is deployed in sectors that do exploit the illegal immigration, to the detriment of productivity.
Ok let's agree on 97 bln in revenue for 11M illegals.
Where is the part related to their presence fiscal cost, and the inflationary effect on housing?
Curious that when discussing net contribution you only produce a source that estimates taxes paid
Why would you assume that a group representing 3% of the population, that has been shown to pool housing resources, would be overrepresented in housing inflation?
The government spent about 1800$ per person in 2022 and the article you read says that illegals provide about 8800 per person in taxes
Why would you assume that a group representing 3% of the population, that has been shown to pool housing resources, would be overrepresented in housing inflation?
The government spent about 1800$ per person in 2022 and the article you read says that illegals provide about 8800 per person in taxes
? i never wrote "overrepresented". it's additional pressure to housing prices. Remove 11M people, house prices go down.
The government spent about 1800 per person in 2022 in which sense?
Undocumented immigration increases per capita wealth of the world.
