Both Parties Suck ??

Sure, but one nominated Trump. He's the worst. And it is not close.

and the other did a genocide and gave billions to Ukrainian fascists. so its pretty much a tossup.

#RedBernBro

Good luck OP this forum is being a partisan wasteland. Probably best off in the YouTube comment section.

Sadly the Dems tried everything to block a third party candidate last election and I’m sure the GOP would do the same
It would have been cool to have seen Bernie as president but the Democrats destroyed that as well
Both parties are corrupt

Neither party is that great, I agree.

We don't really have a true "conservative" party in America, there are some outliers like JD Vance who is a rockstar. Trump has been primarily a progressive liberal since the early 80s and still holds a lot of those views. I don't particularly care for his left leaning ideologies however he was obviously the better choice.

The "republican" party is now the party of fascism. Much worse than any party in our country's history.

This is worse than the democrats locking up people in internment camps for being Japanese? worse than taking kids away from their parents because they don't want to chop off their 5 year olds genitalia? worse than destroying your life over a cold virus?

Enjoy the next 4 years, the adults are finally back in charge

Sorry, I stand corrected. Party of fascism and abject stupidity. Thanks for reminding me.

I completely agree, modern day Democrats also party of abject stupidity

cant even define woman

Based on your comments in your other thread seems like you favor a Curtis Yarvin style benevolent monarchy. Of course the only problem with benevolent monarchies is they are pretty much never benevolent.

the term 'Party' is misleading...

yeah, cult better describes what used to be republican

the Cult of Personality

So, I remember after 2012 (re: The Tragic Death of the Republican Party) there was this interesting document the RNC wrote with all kinds of ideas about how to broaden their appeal, i.e. by moderating on immigration policy and trying to appeal more to minorities, and so on. Obviously everyone ignored it and then Trump happened, and now it's a bit of a laugh to remember.

In 2025, is the DNC going to ponder what has happened to them? What do they think they should do? What should they really do? Are they also just waiting for some singular person to figure out how to be popular again and it doesn't actually matter what they contemplate as far as changes to their platform or messaging? In some ways, it feels like Obama's success was basically just that anyway, rather than being some triumph of liberal values/preferences that e.g. the GOP was afraid had happened in 2012. Is it really just all cults of personality now (more or less), and Biden and Harris just aren't that great of personalities? If that's the case I'm not sure what the path is towards parties that don't suck.

But I am curious what the Democrats will do. Probably nothing useful, I imagine, but still :P

Both parties are absolute trash and politicians on both sides are corrupt bought and paid for self serving scum.

I can understand people voting based on the lesser of 2 evils theory.
I don't understand people who are adamant about how great "their side" is and how hard they defend them.

Additionally anyone who just agrees with "their side" on tons of completely unrelated political issues is a mouth breather incapable of independent thought.

what they always do... talking points, circular logic, empty promises, larger hand outs, more taxation, 'The Sky is Falling', blame gaming... you know, fear and Economic Slavery. It's what they always do.

What is your definition of fascism ?

I agree that Trump and the GOP appear more in line with historical definitions of fascism. Orbiting around authoritarians, nationalism and race.

But what happens if we substitute a subservience to an authoritarian class instead of an authoritarian individual ?

The Democrats and GOP are equally beholden and subservient to the capital class. Neither party presents any resistance. Capital purchases the Congress, SCOTUS and the media.

What we get is bread and circuses. Trump and Musk are just circus. Meant to distract us from the class war and the reality that the only thing our country does well is concentrate wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people while paying no attention whatsoever to that reality.

Hey well named,

Welcome back. Hope you stay. If you do I would recommend you steer clear of the Israel thread because it is so toxic.

Anyways, I think the problems with the democrat party exemplify a problem with liberal democracies in the social media age.

Most people are low information and have natural instincts (tribalism, xenophobia) that aren’t conducive to liberal democracies.

But For hundreds of years the political class of the western world made things work by controlling the dialogue and basically protecting the people from their own bad impulses.

In the social media age the liberal elite political class hasn’t figured out a way to navigate bad populist impulses (from the right and left) now that they haven’t been able to control the narrative and discourse anymore.

For good or bad the Republican Party has just leaned into populism. But the democrats haven’t. Another structural problem is that left wing populism is much more counter to human nature than left wing populism; so in a populist world they will always be at a disadvantage this way

Not necessarily. Trump might be awful, but voters got the guy they voted for. Biden was a vegetable, with key decisions being made by an inner circle no one voted for. Then they ran a person who never competed in the primary. As far as threats to the democratic process go, one party is clearly the worst.

When I first skimmed this it made me a little angry. But after a thorough re-read I think I agree with this.

I think there's clearly some story to tell about social media, media fragmentation, and decline in elite control of media/discourse in the last few decades. I'm not sure that's the whole story but there's something to it. I'm definitely keen on "actually people kinda suck, and are stupid" as a good general-purpose explanation for everything as well, even if it feels like a bit of a dead end :P

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