British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
the only acceptable outcome is for the SNP to make a heap of concessions to alba to secure the vote of confidence, and then for one rogue SNPer to unexpectedly vote no and simultaneously defect to alba
That would be funny, yes. And no Alba candidate has been elected yet (they've only got an MSP and a couple of Westminster MPs by defection), but that might change at the next GE, given the SNP's recent motorhome problems.
the only acceptable outcome is for the SNP to make a heap of concessions to alba to secure the vote of confidence, and then for one rogue SNPer to unexpectedly vote no and simultaneously defect to alba
Fergus Ewing was suspended from the SNP recently for voting in a no confidence vote against the Greens co leader, Lorna Slater. Humza will now need Ewing's support to survive his own vote of no confidence with Lorna Slater saying she will be voting against him. So many ironic possibilities here.
Ash Regan who Humza delcared was 'no great loss' when she defected from the SNP to Alba last year. He's either going to have to humiliate himself even further to try to get her onside or do the honourable thing and quit.
I'm going with the former.
Good chance I may be wrong with this prediction
While the Greens have a no-confidence motion against the First Minister, Labour are tabling a no-confidence motion against the Scottish government. As the Scot Lib Dems are backing it, it will pass the 25-MSP test to gain a debate. SNP flacks are briefing that the First Minister doesn't have to resign if he loses a no-confidence vote. But he does really.
While the Greens have a no-confidence motion against the First Minister, Labour are tabling a no-confidence motion against the Scottish government. As the Scot Lib Dems are backing it, it will pass the 25-MSP test to gain a debate. SNP flacks are briefing that the First Minister doesn't have to resign if he loses a no-confidence vote. But he does really.
I'm pivoting back to my original assessment that Humza will humiliate himself even more rather than quit. His lack of self awareness is incredible.
Heard another example of the lack of serious people at Hollyrood today on the drive home from work. The Greens Health Spokesperson started crying on radio when talking about them being out of government. She'll miss her SNP pals apparently. She was also crying in parliament yesterday. These people shouldn't be anywhere near politics, nevermind government.
Rumours abound that Sunak may announce a GE after the expected disastrous local elections next week, to head off challenges to his leadership.
The sooner the better.
Despite everything that's been said here and elsewhere about the Rwanda scheme, according to the Irish PM, the Rwanda scheme is causing migrants to seek refuge in Ireland - in other words, it's working.
Elrazor in racist policies work well shocker.
Despite everything that's been said here and elsewhere about the Rwanda scheme, according to the Irish PM, the Rwanda scheme is causing migrants to seek refuge in Ireland - in other words, it's working.
They're being put on the streets in tents over here. Disgraceful way to treat people.
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce
we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
adding unintended consequences
Uk is saying it wont accept returns from the EU via Ireland unless France accepts returns from the uk. Which will bring us back to this:
A key condition of the Brexit deal that took the U.K. out of the EU was to maintain the land border between Ireland and Northern Ireland open, with no immigration checks.
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce
we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
Why would that be a farce? It would result in less asylum seeking people in the UK which is the reason the law was passed to begin with.
Humza be resignin'
If it wasn't so disgusting it would be a farce
we could easily end up with a european court preventing ireland returning people to the uk because the uk is unsafe for them as we might send them to rwanda. These people having fled the uk to avoid being sent to rwanda which our courts have to by law accept as safe whether it is or not.
lol EU
BTW, I think the Rwanda thing is disgusting, but this is just funny. Voltaire and Swift would laugh.
I could imagine someone like Cummings being devious enough to foresee how this chain of events would unfold, but no way anyone in the government was smart enough to see just how well this would play out for them.
what's the counterproposal from opponents of the Rwanda plan, to guarantee that everyone who gets refused refugee status won't stay in the UK anyway after refusal?
Failed asylum seeker have to leave the UK and either go home or try elsewhere. How well this is enforced is anyone's guess, However, as far as I know it is separate from the Rwanda scheme, which is for people who are granted asylum.
Nonsense. Under the Rwanda scheme anyone applying for asylum from a "safe" country could be sent to Rwanda to have their claim processed there instead of in the UK.
Nonsense. Under the Rwanda scheme anyone applying for asylum from a "safe" country could be sent to Rwanda to have their claim processed there instead of in the UK.
yes that's the idea. Question is what's your plan, given you oppose the scheme, for all the people the gvmnt will refuse asylum to? "self deportation" order and they stay like it happens everywhere else in europe?
The vast majority of asylum seekers are genuine and are granted asylum.
It's obvious what should happen - the EU and UK have to agree a fair and sensible plan for taking refugees in, but as Brexit (which the Tory government is responsible for) has poisoned relations between the EU and UK so badly, it isn't going to happen until a change of government, if at all.
