British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
I've read this over and over and I can't understand it but since Plaid Cymru have cancelled their co-op with Labour, what I said is no longer correct. I think the snp problem is about leadership rather than Scots becoming less patriotic. If you can't see what is happening in NI or you think that the DUP are credible then I feel sorry for you. Their leader raped his own daughter (allegedly) and they all voted against stopping arms sales to israel. They're still just as disgusting as they were dur
Are you trying to claim here that nationalism is a sign of patriotism? If you are then I think I see a flaw in your thought process.
No. I am claiming that individuals are being rejected in Scotland but the ideology is not.
You know what I meant. I agree that people who are not nationalists are less patriotic but that's a separate issue.
I'm not claiming that you can't sing the anthem just as loudly or passionately in the 6 nations or something. Politically, you can't seriously claim that unionists have Scotland's best interests at heart.
Who cares about patriotism anyway? It's a horrible notion. Last refuge of the scoundrel etc.
I think husker's word (separatism) is more accurate than patriotism for what I was trying to describe. Wales, Scotland and United Ireland are socialist, working class countries yet we are governed by the tories without a mandate. This is undemocratic and saddles celtic countries with english problems e.g. brexit, the monarchy, zionism, american influence, racism, privatisation, gerrymandering, house of lords, anti-environment, inequality, austerity.
A united Ireland certainly wouldn't be socialist. Irish governments have been right wing for as long as I can remember. But the other two countries, yes of course.
You can make the same case for London, Liverpool etc. Consistently voting left wing, consistently getting Tory governments. Tell me about it.
There's plenty of racism in Ireland and Wales as well as England. Not sure about Scotland.
I was thinking of the IRA strat of 32 county sovereignty and Marxism. I mean racism at the governmental level, not on the street. Rwanda, windrush, small boats or whatever.
I'm not claiming that you can't sing the anthem just as loudly or passionately in the 6 nations or something. Politically, you can't seriously claim that unionists have Scotland's best interests at heart.
Give me a list of reasons why those who oppose seperation don't have Scotland's best interests at heart. Genuine reasons that affect people's lives. I'll then give you a list that shows the opposite when you've responded.
Give me a list of reasons why those who oppose seperation don't have Scotland's best interests at heart. Genuine reasons that affect people's lives. I'll then give you a list that shows the opposite when you've responded.
an independent Scotland would be accepted in the EU at record speed though, that matters a lot
an independent Scotland would be accepted in the EU at record speed though, that matters a lot
An independent Scotland wouldn't meet the criteria. What does the EU say about membership and currency and what is the SNP's current policy on currency for an independent Scotland (I'm saying current as it tends to change depending on who the audience is).
Also, and I'm asking this as someone who would prefer to be in the EU, what advantages does being a member of the EU bring over the losses that having a hard border etc with the rest of the UK would bring?
Currency rules for new members are vague. They only have to state an intention to join the Euro in the future.
So they lie the same as other newer EU members? I'm sure the SNP are capable of it!
Can't lie when you're also having to tell the population exactly what the currency will be to get independence in the first place. It's different from countries who already have their own currencies and don't need to set out their plans. The reason the SNP can't say they will adopt the Euro is because they know it is very unpopular.
Can't lie when you're also having to tell the population exactly what the currency will be to get independence in the first place. It's different from countries who already have their own currencies and don't need to set out their plans. The reason the SNP can't say they will adopt the Euro is because they know it is very unpopular.
polls indicate they want to keep the pound even if independent; so they get independence keeping the pound, enter the EU with the pound, then after some decades maybe get the euro
polls indicate they want to keep the pound even if independent; so they get independence keeping the pound, enter the EU with the pound, then after some decades maybe get the euro
But keeping the pound when independent is pointless. If being independent is all about making your own decisions then it would be pointless to have the currency of another nation you have no connection to. The SNP's (current) policy is to set up a completely new currency, which would be pretty disastrous. That is what SNP members have voted for and that is the policy of the party.
There's no good option for Scottish independence that doesn't necessitate joining the Euro.
Possibly there's no good option at all.
