British Politics

So there is a dire lack of housing, which is why until that's fixed you are in favor of stopping all immigration right? because there is literally no room for extra people to live in?

"Dire lack of housing" is boids Cycloptic vision of the problem, not mine. I posted mine three times now and housing is one component of a complex problem.

Typically you choose to ignore the opinions of experts that I linked and focus on something that you believe to be related to immigration instead. I'm bored with this game. Maybe you can engage Elrazor in it - he still believes that immigrants are criminals despite studies posted that disprove him, so you might find a lot of common ground with him.

Jalfrezi if perpetrators of knife crimes are locals, from families with no criminal history, then you can claim it's about increasing poverty among them.

If perpetrators of knife crimes are predominantly immigrants (1st or 2nd generation), with low family incomes, then you can't claim the same, you should rather claim that importing poor people automatically and invariably increases crime rates like it happens everywhere.

Unless your claim is that british taxpayers should let poor people in AND pay forever a lot of welfare to them to alleviate their poverty.

I'm not sure which point you're responding to - can you quote the relevant part please?

I am actually not as i am still waiting for data on who the perpetrators of those knife crimes are.

Given, as i said, that crime doesn't get up with legal immigration in the USA but it does in continental europe,it can be either in the UK.

I am genuinely saying that if it's young males from british families (3+ british grandparents ) then you might have a point about lack of welfare being one of the causes. Although even with dire native poverty in southern italy violent street crime is very low these days there

Immigrants aren't any more criminal than the host population, and you should try to cure yourself of this appalling case of Elrazoritis.

It depends which immigrants and which host population actually, as per data everywhere.

Poor young adult males commit most violent crimes in all societies. If you import a lot of poor young adult males in a society crime will increase.

If you import 50y old female nurses it won't increase, it would rather almost certainly decrease (measured as crimes per 100k people).

This is obvious to anyone except perhaps you.

It's obvious to me that this is the British Politics thread, but not to you.

Are you claiming that immigration increases crime in the UK? A simple Yes or No will suffice thanks.

I am literally claiming i don't know because i can't find the data. I am claiming it doesn't in the USA (for sure not legal immigration), and it does in continental europe.

So i am asking, data on this knife crime epidemic, by perpetrator status?

So despite only having facts about two regions, one of which refutes your claim, you still went ahead and posted the claim

it's not 2 regions, continental EU is many countries and it's confirmed in each of them lol. In each continental EU country immigrants are poorer than natives, and commit more crimes (over 100k) than natives.

In the USA: immigrants aren't poorer than natives, and don't commite more crimes.

I don't know what the case is for the UK and for the nth time i ask, do you have data?

QFT.

That is the meaning of the word "region". The EU is one region and the USA is another.

You're making exactly the same sort of inferential error that Elrazor made. Yes, young men in their own countries commit more crime per capita than other relevant demographics ie old men, young women and old women. But it does not necessarily follow that young males continue to commit more crime after migration, or even that they were ever more criminal in their own country than the average person in their new country, and the data supports my contention and not Elrazor's (obviously), so I posted it here.

I do hope you don't continue to follow in his pawprints and change the subject, then return to it after a few months only to make the same intellectually dishonest claim only for it to be debunked a second time.

Edit. Ha, look who's taking an interest

Luciom stop strawmanning, the left doesn't want to tax meat and force vegetarian ethics with the excuse of climate change

The left

https://vegconomist.com/politics-law/dal...

Dale Vince, the founder of renewable energy firm Ecotricity and a major donor to the UK’s Labour Party, has called for red meat to be taxed to encourage consumers to choose more sustainable options. He made the statement on The Sun’s Never Mind The Ballots show, ahead of the UK’s upcoming general election in July.

“Red meat is the most destructive form of meat that we have available to us in terms of human health and planetary impact,” he said. “And so it makes sense to put a tax on that to steer people’s behaviour – that’s how taxes work, it has worked before.”

Ah good, so we've moved away from "immigrants are criminals".

Government puts tax on all sorts of things it wants to discourage for health reasons - why not red meat (which I love btw)?

I can't comment further on that without UK data, which you insist on not providing yet keep claiming about.

And the claim isn't "immigrants are criminal". The claim is "poor young male immigrants commit more crimes than natives of first world countries".

I'm starting to feel bad for Dianne Abbott. I think she's got sort of early onset dementia, or something else that is affecting her thinking processes.

It's fun to make fun of the stupid and ignorant, but not the ill or incapacitated.

Not getting why you expect me to do your googling for you.

The link that refuted ElRazor nonsense was data about crimes committed by immigrants to the UK compared with native crime, but that's not what you're asking for.

Because I did the googling and I couldn't find any such data, and the official government report on knife attacks has a ton of data but "magically" not that

I don't know if this is any use to you but his contrived "theory" was based on a contention that a) immigrants to the UK are predominantly young males and b) this group is statistically known to commit more crime in their country of origin than the CoO population average, but he then went on to draw the conclusion that immigrants therefore raise the crime rate in the UK, which doesn't logically follow (whether deliberately or through ignorance I don't know).

I found studies that showed immigration to the UK had no such effect on crime, and if anything there was a tendency for it to reduce certain types of crime. So lol him as always.

I'm guessing you don't want to see those studies?

No you clueless little prick, the BoE is still independent in setting rates. As ex Chancellor I thought you might have known that.

You have a DM to explain what it is.

What an absolute mess Starmer has made of the Abbott situation. Rayner has now weighted in saying she should be allowed to stand, which will make Starmer look very weak when he eventually capitulates on the issue.

As far as Abbott goes, she has clearly done enough for the Labour party over the year to be able to dictate the timing and method of her departure. It's a really poor way to treat a public servant, despite her shortcomings.

In the wake of mentalarithmeticgate people conveniently forgot that Abbott went to a comprehensive school and from there into Oxford uni. She very obviously wasn’t stupid.

My main gripe with her is choosing private education for her kid(s).