British Politics

aaaaaaaaaaand labour start funding the unrwa

A good thing.

Only place left for her right now.

Could have defected to changed Labour

They could have put her in charge of the Rwa opps sorry I mean Tanzania policy

15 EU countries have applied to the Commission to let them offshore asylum applicants to third countries where 'they could have applied for asylum'.

https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-states-dema...

This is clearly a coming thing, in terms of European migration policy, and not a small matter. And it can hardly be blamed on Keir Starmer.

That sounds an impressive tally until you realise the fifteen are Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland and Romania.

She's denied that, so she may stand for the Tory leadership, so they could go even madder than they are already, which is probably not the way to see off Reform.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/202...

That's more than half the EU.

More than half the EU member states but that's not how MEPs are apportioned.

Kier Starmer is totally for blame if he involves the UK. Much of Europe is heading in a very nasty direction much as the tories were - in many cases even further right and horrible than even the tories

Labour is supposed to be better

I'm not being fatalistic but it's pretty obvious the tide in Europe is very much turning against immigration and this will probably increase if/when Trump gets elected on his programme of deporting 10 million + immigrants.

We should keep opposing this trend while realising that large parts of the RoW operate very differently eg Australia, New Zealand.

Fortress Europe was a reason some I know were for brexit

Ironically it's part of the reason i was against as generally we are moderate in this regard (compared to many european countries) and divided we race to the bottom. Tories were trying to catch up with the worst but there is no excuse whatsoever for starmer following suit.

Shocking that people who disagree politically can still behave like civilised human beings.

Then he'll answer at the ballot box. But I suspect we already know what the public's view is.

Indeed. He is pandering to the right because he knows it's good for him electorally.

That's in large part because he knows he can take so many votes for granted because he 'aint as bad as the tories'. That's what we have to counter - no you cannot take us for granted.

Migration needs controlling somehow, but I'm not sure what the answer is. Well, obviously the long-term answer is better global weather distribution, and as a country we should be looking to increase the amount of money we contribute towards foreign aid to help raise the standard of living of the very poorest in the world - those who can't afford thousands of pounds to travel to the UK.

I've made this point before, but the issue of young male economic migration is it's a zero sum game. When an 18 year old leaves their country to chase their dreams, the country they depart from loses out on their financial and social contribution for the next 50 years, and that country becomes poorer. Also, as the sex ratio begins to skew towards females, then the males who remain in the poorer countries have less reason to commit to long-term relationships. Therefore, you end up with a lot of single parents whose children have poorer outcomes than their two parent equivalent.

Meanwhile, young unskilled males on average contribute very little to the country they migrate to. Furthermore, Once you skew the sex ratio towards males, competition for females increases and leads to a whole host of undesirable outcomes.

There is also the issue that many European countries value their ethnic and cultural homogeneity. They have spent much of their history squabbling with their neighbours, and are generally highly suspicious of "foreigners", although these attitudes are softening in younger generations.

^ One of the many reasons I loathe the EU. Instead of working to make every country more and more equivalent in terms of living conditions, wages, education etc, it became a way to allow a large cheap labour pool for the big businesses operating in Europe that emptied out some countries of its talent and workforce, to the benefit of large business, and allowing large business to stifle wages for the less skilled jobs, while playing the moral superiority card of 'look at us, we're all about freedom'.

^ I feel equally angered by UK governments not training up enough medical staff for requirements and using talent from countries that sorely need to keep medical staff as a way to not have to pay for the training. Scumbag move that seems to have always been around.

Nonsense.

Young unskilled workers contribute hugely to the countries they migrate to because, as has been explained several times before to you, said countries haven’t spent anything on their education, health care or child benefits etc, though they still pay the same tax as an equivalent native worker.

You’re just a bigot trying to justify his prejudices.

Shame that the EU have set up an environment where they cannot have a decent life where they where born, and contribute to their own country, which probably needs it much, much more.

Exactly. When talking specifically about EU migration, it's great that we receive a healthy, young ambitious worker for free.

Not so good that the relatively poorer country the person is migrating from, that has invested heavily in that person, will see zero economic and social return.

i expect remittances have some sort of positive impact

Yes they do probably need it a lot more and people shouldn't have to migrate to get a good standard of living. Falling birth rates in developed nations are causing a lot of problems around the world.

I was responding to this part which is economically illiterate:

The rest of his post is the usual whining about why he feels men like him are outcompeted by immigrants and can't find partners. It's really quite pathetic and no better than "coming over here, taking our jobs and women".

Something...

It's a bit political. They coud simply fund/instruct HMRC, the police etc to pursue it.