The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Ok. Seems Trump just thinks tariffs are good economic policy, and he is pretty much on an island on this. I wouldn't take it too personally and declare any type of war on the US. Maybe this will be good for Canada politically and economically in the long run. They will branch out to other nations as trade partners, and wont be so entertwined with the US politically.

When the Palestinians invaded Israel and did the 10/7 massacre, the Turkish president declared solidarity with the Palestinians and enacted a trade war with Israel. Which was a big deal at the time, as Turkey was Israel's biggest trade partners. But Israel moved on and is increasing trade with other nations, such as Greece. Maybe Canada can do something similar.

The united states has had a global war on drugs since at least nixon. A trillion has been spent since. The simple fact is that you can't stop drugs by fluffing your plumage on the border and pretending you are doing something. If you really cared about fentanyl, you should probably focus on just about anything BUT the anemic 1% going through the unpluggable Canadian border, and be doing all that hard work in each local community around the country.

I can't think of a single thing I need from the Canucks... including hookers and blow.

JFC counting 88y old dying 3-6 months sooner because of a respiratory virus than expected as a 19y old dying in another continent fighting for ideals.

Thousands of elders dying a bit sooner don't make up for a 19y old in any normal value system.

People like you are the worst monsters there are.

You can't stop drugs that don't do anything big, or at most have a few side effects, and that people massively demand, from having a market.

You can stop a specific ultra-lethal drug that has no intrinsic market (you can get high the same with far less lethal substances) nor demand.

And a **** ton of people dying of fentanyl die because of fentanyl lacing other drugs, as if there was a specific intent to kill as many people as possible

I'm not interested in a COVID debate and how many actual deaths there actual were. Just using it as a an example because I don't recall you having empathy towards the people who's lives were ruined because of government policy at the time. Infact you were probably the biggest defender of the policies at the time.

Thousands of Canadians probably millions have lost jobs or suffered due to choices the Trudeau government made they didn't vote for or have a choice in.

That's a big word salad trying to say Trump isn't doing anything about the fentanyl crisis.

Pollievre doesn't gain much at this time by picking a side. But ended up copying a lot of what Bernier said his plan would be. It really is unfortunate he never became conservative leader.

I liked him as well.

I am still in shock Trudeau will not call back parliament on what may be the largest crisis Canada has felt. I hope he doesn't hand out cash irresponsibly like he did with Covid

Canada needs a plan to diversify. That starts with an energy corridor east to west that includes hydro, NG and oil.

I think we would be better off with an interim leader than Justin as well but that will never happen. Watch him ride this out till past the G7 meeting

I might miss something on Canada divisions of power but i don't think Trudeau can give away much cash without parliament approval

Trump just announced that Venezuela is now willing to take back illegal immigrants for unnamed concessions from the US.

Knowing Trump, Venezuela probably made off better in the deal than the US did. Seems with Trump if you just give him the symbolic publicity win you can normally come out ahead.

So basically doing the opposite of what Trudeau is doing, where he is doubling down on the cost to Canada just to show he won’t be bullied.

Lots of strategies out there part of me thought what if we just added an export tax of 15% to all energy exports and tell Trump let’s make it all 25 %

I think I’m beginning to see thought trump « logic » .
- The US gets screwed by trade -> trump own deal
( the best deal ever sign by a president he said, seem was another lie ?)
- in the treaty , no tariffs are allowed EXCEPT for security reason -> hence the bs of vast amount off illegal coming from Canada
(which of course isn’t true )

Fentanyl is a problem from Mexico and Canada -> but before trump took office he said it was biden fault right ?
(Well we all knew it was more complicated the that but trump didn’t want the same critics as he gave biden obviously) .

There is no trade deficit if u exclude oil , which obviously Canada sells a ton (at the benefit of the US , ironically) with a weak Canadian $ and a discount on top of it !
So in reality is Canada who’s in deficit !

So in essence , trump is using smoke and lies to make stupid decision .
Hopefully one day Americans will see though all his garbage .
I guess only through pain (like kids finally touching that hot stove) they will see trump as he really is ….

Who needs ennemies when u have friends like trump .

almost 200k illegals tried to cross in from Canada in 2023

https://mainemorningstar.com/2024/08/14/....

You do realize the President can only impose tariffs if he thinks it’s in the realm of national security so he invents the national security issue with Canada . Is our border secure? No

Trump announced he is meeting with Sheinbaum and Trudeau tomorrow to work things out. Again, if you give him a mostly empty victory (eg. make some empty commitment to stop the drug and human trafficking trade that he can brag about) both countries could probably come out of this just fine, if not ahead of where they were.

They HAVE given mostly empty commitments to stop the drugs. And pledged over a billion in Canada’s case. And done a bunch of tweaks and show of force at the border. And changed important immigration details that were long standing sources of irritation.

Trump doesn’t care.

Because it never was about fentanyl, it was about his deluded belief that trade deficits (in products only not services) are somehow bad. And his tendency to be a bully.

That being said, are you going to be surprised at all if they meet and Trump declares victory afterward, and whatever gets worked out doesn't really negatively affect either nation at all? I wouldn't be. This is basically what he already did with Venezuela and Panama.

Of course, there is an argument that the President of the United States shouldn't be treating Canada like he does Venezuela, which I personally agree with. But Trump clearly doesn't see it that way.

And in the days leading up to this, Trump was asked if there was anything Canada, China or Mexico could do to stop the tariffs, his response was “No, nothing. Not right now. No.” Then when asked if he was looking for a “concession” from the three countries, Trump said he wasn't, and “We’ll just see what happens.”

All that said, I could see almost any result here. We know fentanyl and border security isn't a major crisis (sure, it could probably be better, but obviously not to an extent that couldn't be resolved by normal negotiations rather than a trade war), we know that his procolamations like “(Canada has) treated us very unfairly, and I say why should we be subsidizing Canada?” are ****ing nonsense, we know that he's exagerrated the trade deficit by a factor of 3-4x, and we know that includes energy exports I doubt he wants to end, without which they actually have a trade surplus. So given that this is all being done over pretty much nothing of consequence, it wouldn't surprise me even a little if he were to change or remove the tarriffs based on any number of things he can claim as a win. And I also wouldn't be surprised if this drags out. Trump gunna Trump, and we're all living in his clownshoes circus now.

Around the 2 minute mark trump mentions Canada and also starts again around 7 minutes mark. The man is sharp, not sure why so many people in this thread think he's just mashing buttons. Some American banks in Canada would be nice.

ya no some of us used to hope this was the case but its literally coming into effect in 25 hours

Yes, I would be very surprised if Trump ends or signals an imminent end to tariffs after meeting Trudeau tomorrow. Kelhus, your read here is completely backwards. There is nothing Canada can just magically do, no button we can magically press, to end this. All the fentanyl stuff is unstoppable BS that Trump doesn't even care about, it isn't like there is some easy ask like accept a few plane loads of immigrants.

Ya nobody wants to hear whatever covid death conspiracy you are alluding to either. But these two things are not the same:
1) During covid, people lost their jobs because we were trying to save lives. And more people still died than died in ww2.
2) Now, people are going to lose their jobs, because of the economic illiteracy of an egomaniac.

To try and suggest that I was unempathetic by supporting policies that try to keep people alive is somehow hypocrtical because I'm currently being empathetic to people losing their jobs is ridiculous.

It's really amazing how far standards have dropped over the last 10 years.

The bar is on the floor and turns into poo if you try to pick it up

Of course more people died in 2020s than 1940s.
Chart seems pretty normal.