Gun control
I think that the Gun control thread got lost when the old politics thread got moved.
1 The rest of the world looks at the US policy with slack jawed astonishment.
2. “Guns don’t kill people , people do” is identical to “Nuclear weapons don’t kill people, people do”
3. Using the idea that carrying guns can prevent the government oppressing you seems to ignore the fact that the US government controls the most effective killing machine in history
So when I hear we can’t ban guns for hunter purpose , hopefully they don’t hunt with those guns huh ?
If those guns are legal for civilians I just don’t get it .
it's a movie
assuming they were shooting 5.56 (they were), the holes in the cars were VERY lol.
Converting to fully automatic is a felony in the USA, montrealcorp. Those movie guys are criminals.
My feelings (I am a life member of the NRA) is that AR-15 type rifles have a small and valid use imo. Perfect gun for feral hog hunting. I don't see much other use for the rifle. But.... I am a pistol and shotgun kinda sport user.
Great website next time you're watching a movie and want to ask that question. https://imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Heat
They are compact M-16's.
In the end I do think it would save lives. How many I have no idea. Just like the elimination of assault rifles saved lives for ten years in the US. Were there still mass murders? Yes. Could as many people be killed in a mass murder? No.
Personally, I'd have no problem banning a bunch of semi automatic rifles like they did in 1994. And it did lower gun crime. But things need to be acknowledged before pulling out a 30 year law with the assumption that your going to get the same result.
From 1994-2004, you didnt have very many AR15s, AK47s, AUGs and other SA rifles in the industry. Now you've got about 25 million semi autos stashed away under beds and in closets which was never the case in 1994.
I'd imagine that hardening transfer laws would potentially make a bigger impact amongst about 30 other things that would work better as opposed to an assault weapons ban but who knows until you try.
I'd assume you'd get the country's most aggressive gun buying excursion again and the law will go into effect with about 50 million rifles that everyone gets to keep and use and that you'd be operating under the pretense that you'd have probably about 100x more rifles in circulation than you did in 1994.
So when I hear we can’t ban guns for hunter purpose , hopefully they don’t hunt with those guns huh ?
If those guns are legal for civilians I just don’t get it .
In full auto, these would have to be a certain age to be legal in the US if we we assume they were originally full auto. If they were converted, that would usually be illegal. But that's really a difference that does not really matter much. If we assume a civilian firing in full auto without much training, then he is less dangerous than if he was firing in semi-automatic mode as the latter would force him to shoot in a more controlled manner and preserve his ammunition better.
In the movie here these are not really portrayed as untrained civilians. They are moving like soldiers and firing like soldiers. They use a basic "
" tactic of the kind soldiers would use and they reload well. The actors more than likely had a military instructor. It's not really something you'd expect too many criminals to do, so the clip is more "military tactic vs police tactic" than illustrative of your garden variety criminal.
But yes, a person with a long gun is pretty much always more dangerous than someone with a handgun. A handgun takes a lot of practice and maintenance of your skill to be precise with even at fairly short ranges like 10m-20m, while with a long gun you can precise out to 100-200 yards with only basic training.
If you can put the cat back in the bag with the amount of weapons currently in circulation in the US is an open question. I'm guessing it would take at least a generation, and that time-frame in itself would probably hinge on broad bipartisan support and support in the populace.
I've seen a documentary on the making of Heat and they indeed underwent extensive training with military instructors.
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-sce...
Mann says, “I wanted everybody really well-trained so that they felt that they could actually do what the characters in this film do.” Ex-Special Air Service sergeant Andy McNab and ex-Special Forces instructor Mick Gould developed a three-month plan for the actors.
just imagine if they had keanu
Personally, I'd have no problem banning a bunch of semi automatic rifles like they did in 1994. And it did lower gun crime. But things need to be acknowledged before pulling out a 30 year law with the assumption that your going to get the same result.
From 1994-2004, you didnt have very many AR15s,
Yeah, but if you're a gun guy, you know how stupid that statement is.
If you're not a gun guy, then you believe that statement but I'm here to tell you it's not true.
I was about the most avid gun nut alive during the "assault weapon ban" years (I no longer am) and availability of pretty much 'whatever you wanted' still existed at that time, sans cosmetic features. You could get $239 AK's from CDNN investments in the 00's, just without a flash hider or bayonet lug.
So please explain to anyone your logic of how the year 2002 had 'lower gun crime' than previous years because the $239 AK's you could buy in 2002 didn't have bayonet lug or flash hider it has today?
One thing we agree on is that ownership of semi auto rifles with detachable magazines that resemble military firearms is far more ubiquitous today than it was back then, when those types of guns were pretty much limited to responsible hobbyists whereas now, they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more common, which shows up in their misuse statistics. But despite being 'more common', they are not 'more available' today than they were during the 94-04 AWB, as all that did was ban irrelevant cosmetic features.
That is a myth, bordering on a lie.
Converting to fully automatic is a felony in the USA, montrealcorp. Those movie guys are criminals.
Someone shoulda told these criminals this.
I doubt these were fifteens/5.56... a ten/7.62 is more likely based on the damage being done, unless you've done some movie related research. I have not, and I don't really care... they should have been using SBR's in these modern times.
