TikTok Ban
So TikTok seems to be officially over for now and I haven't seen much debate about it.
Some of the best arguments I've seen in terms of national security I quote here.
One possibility you could think of it being abused for is in the long term identifying and profiling young people for if/when they get high levels of security clearance for future exploitation.
Specifically people sign up when they are young and keep using it for years and during that time you can identify their interests and so forth. They should also be able to work out locations for most users based on IP or possible even directly from the phone if location permission is on (I don't use TikTok so no idea if that is a permission they ask for), which could help you identify if they move to an area near a secure facility or onto a military base etc. Given that you have years of their viewing data as well as potentially information from what they themselves post you could then work out the 'perfect' person to become their friend and slowly gain trust with the eventual aim to gain information from them (or access to others) or potentially something that the person might not want to be revealed and exploit them that way.
Of course people post lots of stuff on other places so that is not unique to TikTok. Stava is a good example where people have been able to identify people working at military bases from their run data etc.
So I would argue this is rather unlikely but if you want to have the 'what if' mindset that I think it is possible to envision it being used that way to quickly identify users near location X, see if any match someone known to work there and then go back through the data to look for possible avenues to use. Though, again, I think this is very unlikely to be realistic and the main problem that might be the real concern for western governments is really that it could be exploited at a time of conflict as a propaganda tool or to spread misinformation to try and paralyse or otherwise damage a country at a critical moment. Though arguably that can be done via other social media sites albeit with less direct control.
It's a **** ton of Metadata. It doesn't matter if some guy knows YOUR habits, interests, location, etc.
But if a state actor suddenly has access to the data of millions of people, you get a lot more possibilities for nefarious reasons. You can create social trends, slowly and surely manipulate trends, map infrastructure (like who works at military installations, how many people, when they come and go, etc), spread propaganda, rile people up against each other, etc.
With access to over 100 million people your options are limitless.
To me these are good points but I still can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth when the govt tells me what I can and cannot read/view.
What if TikTok was Danish owned, would that make a difference?
I know that China itself bans most if not all American social media apps. So is this an admission of just how powerful social media is? Is every country eventually going to have siloed social media for the same purposes? It will be harder and harder to interact with people from other countries?
Personally I think the first step should be the US passing more strict privacy laws when it comes to data collection. So many other apps collect this information and they are just so secure it's not a security issue for them to hold it? Our data is a commodity so I guess there is a lot of pushback to enact these protections from some of the biggest companies in the world but if the data is that critical if it falls into the wrong hands shouldn't steps be made to prevent this?
Ideally, the US would follow the EU with their privacy and data protection laws. Americans are on a whole too dumb and preoccupied with other issues like trans, gays, abortion, etc to care about these things. Banning TikTok and enacting better data protection laws are different things but should both happen.
The data collection is insane and it makes life a pain trying to opt out of everything and find alternatives.
It’s back online. Trump said he won’t enforce the fines. Lmfao
Everyone complaining about government overreach into online censorship is missing the fact that social media is turning the brains of your children into mush.
Allowing China to have a backdoor into most peoples' phones is probably not great, either.
Ask any kid what they want to be when they grow up and a huge chunk of them will say YouTuber or "Influencer".
WAAF. Ban ALL the things.
MA[stronauts]GA
Everyone complaining about government overreach into online censorship is missing the fact that social media is turning the brains of your children into mush.
Allowing China to have a backdoor into most peoples' phones is probably not great, either.
Ask any kid what they want to be when they grow up and a huge chunk of them will say YouTuber or "Influencer".
WAAF. Ban ALL the things.
MA[stronauts]GA
Is it so different than a bunch of kids that want to be actors? It's just the new media and personally I like it as it reduces the gatekeepers to the industry but you are right, waaf... I do think it's cool that some rando can start a youtube channel on pokemon cards or some **** and make a living from it if he's good at it though. Something never possible before.
Most likely scenario:
Independent: Was the whole TikTok drama a bait-and-switch to make Trump look good?
Political commentators have suggested that the drama surrounding TikTok is a “scam” to make President-elect Donald Trump “look good” after he has vowed to save it.
The Chinese-owned social media app went dark in the U.S. on Saturday night and posted a message at about 10.30 p.m. Eastern time saying: “Sorry, TikTok isn’t available right now. We are fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work with us on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he takes office. Please stay tuned!”
The Biden administration blasted TikTok’s statement as a “stunt” in a statement on Saturday.
And on Sunday morning, Trump vowed to issue an executive order on Monday, the day of his inauguration, to give the app’s parent company ByteDance more time to find a buyer. Early Sunday afternoon, TikTok announced it was “in the process of restoring service” to the app — and thanked Trump for his support.
“We thank President Trump for providing the necessary clarity and assurance to our service providers that they will face no penalties providing TikTok to over 170 million Americans and allowing over 7 million small businesses to thrive,” it said in a statement. “It’s a strong stand for the First Amendment and against arbitrary censorship. We will work with President Trump on a long-term solution that keeps TikTok in the United States.”
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Yes, because the barrier to entry for acting is orders of magnitude higher, so people are purged out of the pipeline quickly.
The reality of only the top 0.0001% making enough money to live is obfuscated in the influencer economy, as opposed to acting where you move on with your life very quickly after realizing how many obstacles there are to break into the industry.
I like what this has done for niche, targeted media content, but my point isn't really even about the viability of making a living at it. TikTok and its ilk are crafted with the benefit of ungodly sums of money spent on researching how to get people addicted to them, but I'm more concerned with the fact that kids are spending all day glued to their screens when they're supposed to be getting an education. They also don't go outside anymore. In my day, Saturday morning cartoons couldn't be viewed in the classroom, and your parents told you to get out of sight and come back when the street lights came on.
You should be extremely concerned with what the world will look like in 20 years as we're left with a bunch of uneducated, overweight social media zombies in what is supposed to be the most productive segment of economy participants.
WAAF.
China sure seems like a big trading partner. All of our phones we're typing on are made there. Doesn't sound like a good idea having our enemy manufacturer so many of our goods. I think even refrigerators are phoning home these days.
Also I don't think the govt owns any of bytedance but there are laws on the books they need to open their servers to the govt upon request.
So long as it's an American corporation exploiting personal data for billions, it's fine. I'm sure Trump was on the horn with Xi working out a backdoor deal today. Maybe he'll put a billion into Trump's meme coin before Trump rug pulls the old ladies.
Yes, because the barrier to entry for acting is orders of magnitude higher, so people are purged out of the pipeline quickly.
The reality of only the top 0.0001% making enough money to live is obfuscated in the influencer economy, as opposed to acting where you move on with your life very quickly after realizing how many obstacles there are to break into the industry.
I like what this has done for niche, targeted media content, but my point isn't really even about the viability of making a living
Nailed it.
TikTok and its ilk are crafted with the benefit of ungodly sums of money spent on researching how to get people addicted to them, but I'm more concerned with the fact that kids are spending all day glued to their screens when they're supposed to be getting an education. They also don't go outside anymore. In my day, Saturday morning cartoons couldn't be viewed in the classroom, and your parents told you to get out of sight and come back when the street lights came on.
You should be extremely co
Every old person says this about something.
Bottom line: if you're a parent, parent.
Name just one of those things that lived permanently in the pockets of developing minds, had armies of scientists behind it spending all day figuring out how to make it tickle the child's amygdala, and actively prevented them from doing anything else while performing the offending activity.
The parents are hooked, too. Literally nobody is in charge anymore. WAAF.
Name just one of those things that lived permanently in the pockets of developing minds, had armies of scientists behind it spending all day figuring out how to make it tickle the child's amygdala, and actively prevented them from doing anything else while performing the offending activity.
You probably eat it everyday. But you don't have to.
You use WAAF. I don't even know what that stands for. Perhaps you should have laid off social media yourself?
I've literally only ever seen that acronym here on 2p2. We Are All ****ed.
It's possible you just aren't very observant.
Edit: For clarity sake, 250 is the maximum number of hits that Search will show you. So, it was found in at least 250 threads.
It's possible you just aren't very observant.
Edit: For clarity sake, 250 is the maximum number of hits that Search will show you. So, it was found in at least 250 threads.
That's entirely possible. I usually ignore teenage speak. Or perhaps we hang in different areas of the forum. Or perhaps all those hits are by you 😃
In any case, I just found it ironic that you're complaining on social media about the dangers of social media while using social media slang. Like come on, man, have some self-awareness. 😆
Yes, because the barrier to entry for acting is orders of magnitude higher, so people are purged out of the pipeline quickly.
The reality of only the top 0.0001% making enough money to live is obfuscated in the influencer economy, as opposed to acting where you move on with your life very quickly after realizing how many obstacles there are to break into the industry.
I like what this has done for niche, targeted media content, but my point isn't really even about the viability of making a living
Yeah, I don't really disagree with any of this. My mom also kicked me out of the house on the daily to just go do something. Make up your own game, make friends, I don't care but you're not going to sit in the house and watch TV. So I can relate to that but also I feel I need to check myself with today's generation and wonder if I'm being the boomer. Overall I don't think so but self perception is a tricky one. But we also have to realize the world has changed, you can't get a job at the car factory screwing wheels onto a car anymore, there are robots for that and relationships are created differently these days for either the good or the bad. You can fight it all you want but technology is going to march on. The writer's and actor's strike affected me last year and I was glad to see them eek out a few more years in the industry but the writing on the wall is there. The majority of them are ****ed long term. So in a way the kids need to be fluent in social media as it's playing a big part in their future but my god do I hate the selfie culture. People just filming themselves, posing in the mirror for the camera, **** it's so cringe but I'm just an old head at this point...
I think Trump is setting up a Musk 50% stake in Tiktok.
How are Twitter and Facebook harmful? Why not just protect citizen's data instead of trying to put guardrails on freedom of speech?
Constitutional freedom of speech is not an entirely well understood concept.
It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater which is NOT on fire in such a manner as to cause a stampede in which people could get injured. There is no argument that such behavior is dangerous and should be criminalized. Likewise, there is no argument that in the event of an actual fire, that a fire providing false assurance that there is no fire should also be subject to criminal punishment.
The citizens have zero wish or benefit accrete to them from having other citizens having the unlimited liberty to express whatever dangerous falsehoods they choose. Either from malice or gross negligence.
The preamble to the constitution indicates that the purpose of our government is to aspire to domestic tranquility. It doesn't say that our purpose is to let people spew whatever garbage they wish. That would be asinine.
Twitter and Facebook are chock full of the denial of human induced climate change. That's a danger that threatens the continuity of our species and certainly the continuity of modern human civilization. Any sane governance that valued the continuity of itself would make that illegal. On par with yelling everything is OK inside a theater which is actually on fire.
Most people are too busy with the survival struggles of the day. They don't have the time or aptitude for the math and science to do the investigation themselves. The behaviors which make life easier for them today are also making more difficult for the future. We have a conflict of interest between what we desire today and what we need tomorrow. Feeling guilty isn't a feeling that we most people's psyche can handle. The mind is programmed to believe whatever we need to believe in order to survive TODAY. And that belief that there is no problem is seductive.
The people who own media platforms which are now filled with bots that champion this poison should be criminalized, not celebrated.
Do people not see the cognitive dissonance of an opportunist like Musk who championed Tesla on the grounds that it was part of a solution to a climate crisis and then flip-flopped to a position of turning Twitter into a noise machine full of climate denial ??
