POG Politics Thread Version 3
Come on in! Since Dustin is taking his ball and going home, it's time to start a new politics thread.
thanks for sharing filthy, always interesting to see fresh perspectives -- i've known 4 natives irl pretty well and they have a very diverse set of opinions on those names so it's always interesting to boost the sample size for better data
feel free to ignore these questions if you don't feel like it
out of curiousity, what is your power rankings of acceptable names for what your people should be called given that there's a million different options
also, what do you think about certain institutions and colleges attaching statements of stolen land at the beginning of talks or attached to the end of emails - that always strikes me as weird, like you're not changing what happened by doing that so it only serves to virtue signal
also what do you think about the notion that most people have that everything was one sided, ie we tend to gloss over that literally every town in new england has been raided at least once in its history with notable events such as the entire city of providence raided, where people were captured and the city burnt down
i don't think that stuff excuses the actions of the settlers, but it does provide a nuanced context to the general fear and anxiety of the times
they're not my people... there are so many different cultures, nations, tribes... some prefer to be called nations, some tribes, some people, some indians, some indigenous, natives... etc...
generally speaking a specific "tribe" name is best, if you know it... and most tribe names have been Americanized, so it's even better if you can say it in the original language.
the answers to what is acceptable is so diverse... for example there is a fairly famous story of "ishi, the last wild Indian" supposedly he was literally the last one, living near Mt lassen in northern California. he came out of the wild around 1916 iirc... some scientists from ucsf took him in. the field of anthropology was just getting started. he lived his final days in SF at the university... he died cuz the scientists exposed him to the public, and he had no immunity.
anyway, "ishi" just means person. he never told any white people his name. in his culture you didn't tell strangers your name. your name is powerful, and personal, and you only share it with people you trust.
I didn't know about colleges and institutions doing stolen land acknowledgments. I think it's great! good for them. you're right that obv it doesn't give the land back, but it does raise awareness, which is good. people are incredibly ignorant about what happened here, and what is still happening. that's why we have teams with names like the chiefs. that's why natives are among the poorest demographic, if not literally THE poorest, and lowest life expectancy, absurd incarceration rates(maybe the highest), alcoholism, addiction, suicide, police executions, mmiw
stolen land acknowledegments don't make up for this, but every little bit helps.
Indians killing whites is not "glossed over" lmfao.... watch basically ANY film or show with ANY free indigenous people who haven't been genocided... and a huge part of the story line is them killing white people...
and keep in mind that these white people are literally invading, and stealing land(at the very least), and/or murdering, raping, or supporting the whites who do the murdering and raping
it's not like Cherokee are invading France... English and germans do, but not Cherokee. no the tribes were fighting invaders who had genocidal intentions. and they were incredibly out numbered, and out gunned, and ended up getting slaughtered over and over and over and over, despite every now and again managing to do a tiny bit of fighting back.
the genocide was one sided! one of the most one sided conflicts in history!
it's like right now blaming Palestinians for killing 2 Israelis in a terror attack... like if that's your focus, you're missing the bigger picture here.
and lol "general fear and anxiety of the times".... like one side is invading and stealing a hemisphere, but they're not supposed to feel any fear or anxiety of the people living there wanting to keep their homes and lives, and fight back?
and talk about fear and anxiety!!!! imagine living with your family in a teepee, and fighting with a bow and lance, along side your kids, and wife, and parents and grandparents... and the other side is a well armed ****ing army outnumbering you 100 to 1, living in a fortress, and hell bent on erasing your entire nation
idk man.... if you can't see that.... just idk
thanks for the perspective fv
sorry if i misphrased that
like i get that what the settlers were doing was the original version of ffing around and finding out
and i agree that in movies the violence and fear is definitely captured, remember watching dances with wolves again recently and thinking "woah this was one of the more sympathetic ones and it still shows raiding and killing"
i'm specifically talking about how it was taught to me in schools - where it was 100% framed like the natives never lifted a finger
again, i'm not trying to excuse things, i have no dog in this fight as all my people came to the USA in the early 20th century (as is the case for most americans) but when i dove deep in colonial history during covid i was really surprised to read about things like the raid of providence, and i was not exaggerating when i said literally every single settlement in new england from the tiny and isolated settlements in vermont to boston itself came under attack at one point or another, that was an incredibly eye opening discovery because i'd previously been taught it was just joining in on the occasional war like the french and indian war or random raid on a settler going west, not that the city of providence had to be rebuilt from scratch after king philips war (or even that a literal war had been fought in new england between settlers and natives as again that had previously been framed as one sided slaughters like wounded knee, to the point that custer is framed as an evil man (not saying he wasn't) rather than a soldier following the orders he was given
ie during covid i read a book about the history of trade between china and usa and when we first started trading with them after independence (british forbid us from trade with anyone else) what we originally did was go to the pacific northwest and trade with the locals for pelts (as that was the only thing chinese wanted) but that had to be stopped almost immediately because too many of the ships were boarded and killed during the night so they started instead getting seal pelts from the south pacific instead because it was too dangerous to interact with the tribes out in the northwest - again showing how dangerous simply engaging in commerce could be
i can't emphasize enough that i 100% understand the native reaction and am in no way saying anything otherwise and I would have done the same in the same situation, but i can also sympathize with understanding why the settlers felt it was necessary to relocate to reservations for their own safety - ie if i were transplanted to that time where i was an early settler, i too would not be thinking about right or wrong but simple survival
As previously stated, I accept that this administration is good from an accelerationist perspective. AI safety is horseshit, turn all the burners up and let's get it cookin.
Seeing some "ban x links" around Reddit. Do Democrats think when Republicans allegedly boycott Budweiser that is a strictly conservative phenomenon?
I don't consider myself a democrat, but I personally do not see it as a purely conservative thing. I see it as human nature that one might not want to support the success of something they don't believe in.
if you want to know what democrats think
you'll have to check the ****ing loony bin
the pockets of donors
Zionist parades
Charles Schwab's living room
and the ever popular
up their own ass
Republicans too. Especially the ass part.
President Trump's former ghostwriter says writing "The Art of the Deal" is the biggest regret of his life
"I knew this was a bad guy when I did the book,"
"Trump is not only willing to lie, but he doesn't get bothered by it, doesn't feel guilty about it, isn't preoccupied by it," Schwartz said. "There's an emptiness inside Trump. There's an absence of a soul. There's an absence of a heart."
May 24, 2019
Only a few weeks into the new year, and the race for the best photograph of 2025 may already be over.
Henry Miller? Arthur Miller? Dennis Miller? Glenn Miller?
I'm pulling for Henry. There's only been like five people in history who can weave storytelling with psychology and philosophy on that level.
Probably the other four were all Russians.
They are wasting no time in throwing the entire country into complete chaos. Which, as previously stated, is excellent from an accelerationist perspective.
People are talking about it
Accelerationism is the teleologist's fever dream.
God doesn't play dice - because the dice never stop rolling. *We exist where they bounce.
"Repose is not the destiny of man."
Two roads diverge in the woods: Love and Strife.
The truth is: I'm the weak, and I'm the tyranny... but I'm trying, I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd.
LOLOLOL CNN and MS-NBC. Greg is awesome! There are podcasts that routinely beat MS-NBC.
Helicopters are dangerous
They’re not releasing the name of the female pilot. My understanding is the family asked them not to, they know she will be denigrated for being a woman flying a helicopter, and the president has already blamed DEI.
[guy who has never heard of a helicopter]
so how does it fly?
-spinning knives, bro!
WHAT
-spinning knives on a pole
Well, I'm sure that's safely in some kind of housing!
-no housing
Ok, but, like, they must be way up off the ground?
-neck height
GTFO
-you have to duck to get in it
Who invented this, Elon Musk?
