PROOF: Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God
ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
Unlike the bibles of other religions, there is EVIDENCE the Judeo-Christian Bible was divinely inspired by Jehovah. Not only does it contain almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies, but Bible writers had special information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.
1. The Prophet Isaiah gave a viewpoint description of how earth appears from outerspace and did it at a time in history when humans were earthbound. Notice below.
"There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell," (Isaiah 40:22)
Isaiah's viewpoint description--of a circular earth, when viewed from outer space--was not confirmed or proven until the 20th century, when astronauts were able to view earth from space. In effect, Isaiah, who was earth bound at the time of his writing, gave a viewpoint description that was almost 3,000 years ahead of his time.
2. Similarly, it was not until 1687 that Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration, Moses wrote the viewpoint description that, when viewed from outer space, earth appears to be hanging upon nothing (indicating invisible gravity), as follows:
"He [Jehovah God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, HANGING THE EARTH UPON NOTHING;" (Job 26:7)
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular when viewed from outerspace, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. —more than 2,700 years BEFORE astronauts in the 20th century confirmed that earth appears like a circle when viewed from outer space?
2. How did Moses know that the earth appears to hang upon nothing, indicating invisible gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces—3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs in space with no visible means of support?
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3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this information?
Alter2Ego
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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Given that you say you have 1,999 other "accurately fulfilled prophesies", it strikes me as more than a little pathetic that you are putting all your eggs in this very weak argument. Come on! You don't have to cite all 2,000 of them! Just a few hundred would be fine! ;-)
When I sit down and ask myself whether I should believe in the Christian god, its drivel like OP posted that helps convince me there isn't one.
If there really was a God, and the Bible was his inspired word, why wouldn't the bible plainly state the earth is a sphere, that it revolves around the sun, that there was a big bang, etc, etc. Why instead do christian apologists have to do gymnastics to attempt to poorly translate bronze age poetry into vague predictions?
I could equally use Daniel 4:20 where Nebuchadnezzar has a disturbing dream and Daniel interprets it:
The tree you saw, which grew large and strong, with its top touching the sky, visible to the whole earth
as saying the Earth is flat, since obviously it couldn't be visible to the entire world if it were a sphere.
Montrealcorp:
You're obviously not aware of the fact that Nostradamus did not give any predictions. He presented generalized post-dictions that could easily be applied to any circumstance. This is confirmed by numerous sources. Below are two such sources:
"Nostradamus wrote in Middle French,
This is one of the most enjoyable posts you've made, where you accuse Nostradamus of the same problems that the "predictions" in your book of bronze age poetry have. Your cognitive dissonance is off the charts when you can't even see that.
stremba70:
All three prophecies that I've posted thus far were unerringly fulfilled in detail. They were fulfilled between 100 to 250 years after the prophecies was uttered, indicating that the men (the prophets) that Jehovah inspired to write down those particular prophecies could not have foreseen
What evidence is there that the prophecy's were written before the events? How many of the "fulfilled" prophecies were being actively worked to fulfill by those who knew them?
It's like the gospels claiming Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecy of the jews (despite not being a warrior king, and all the other requirements, etc) because he rode a donkey AND a colt into Jerusalem. The decades later greek writers of the gospels decided to claim he rode both so he could fulfill two separate prophecies.
When I sit down and ask myself whether I should believe in the Christian god, its drivel like OP posted that helps convince me there isn't one.
If there really was a God, and the Bible was his inspired word, why wouldn't the bible plainly state the earth is a sphere, that it revolves around the sun,
+1.
I mean talk about an imperfect book being so clear on some issues and so vague on others …
What evidence is there that the prophecy's were written before the events? How many of the "fulfilled" prophecies were being actively worked to fulfill by those who knew them?
It's like the gospels claiming Jesus fulfilled the Messianic prophecy of the jews (despite not being a warrior king, and all
DesertCat:
The writers of the prophecies lived long before the prophecies were fulfilled. For example, the destruction of Jerusalem and Judah was prophesied by both the prophet Isaiah and the prophet Jeremiah. See Post 56:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
ISAIAH
Many sources agree that Isaiah lived in the 8th century BCE. One such source is Encyclopedia Britannica.
"Isaiah (flourished 8th century BCE, Jerusalem) was a prophet after whom the biblical Book of Isaiah is named (only some of the first 39 chapters are attributed to him), a significant contributor to Jewish and Christian traditions. His call to prophecy about 742 BCE coincided with the beginnings of the westward expansion of the Assyrian empire, which threatened Israel and which Isaiah proclaimed to be a warning from God to a godless people."
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Isa...
JEREMIAH
"Jeremiah (born probably after 650 BCE, Anathoth, Judah—died c. 570 BCE, Egypt) was a Hebrew prophet, reformer, and author of a biblical book that bears his name. He was closely involved in the political and religious events of a crucial era in the history of the ancient Near East; his spiritual leadership helped his fellow countrymen survive disasters that included the capture of Jerusalem by the Babylonians in 586 BCE and the exile of many Judaeans to Babylonia."
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jer...
Isaiah's prophecy against Jerusalem and Judah:
"{5} Isaiah now said to Hezekiah: "Hear the word of Jehovah of armies, {6} 'Look! Days are coming, and all that is in your house and all that your forefathers have stored up to this day will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left,'" says Jehovah. (Isaiah 39:5-6)
Jeremiah repeated Isaiah's prophecy against Jerusalem and Judah:
"I will bring [the Babylonians] against this land and against its inhabitants . . . And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years."—Jeremiah 25:9, 11.
Jerusalem and Judah were destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.E., more than 100 years after Isaiah wrote the prophecy and years after Jeremiah repeated it.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Babylon...
Alter2Ego
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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Oops, god gets it wrong in the very first sentence. Earth wasn’t created until billions of years after “the beginning”.
Oops, god gets it wrong in the very first sentence. Earth wasn’t created until billions of years after “the beginning”.
That Genesis story is just such an obvious hand wave, "We don't really know anything about origins. We are just going to write some flowery, mystical sounding, poetic language about it." No one who ever got their mind outside of Sunday School parameters takes it as anything else. I find some of the cosmologists dismantling of the Genesis sequence a bit meh. It's like dismantling a mythic poem by analyzing its reality testing. Good luck with that.
When the Creator separates the water above from the water below with a vault, why does he call the vault “sky”? What is God doing here?
God creates worlds, but he also creates a world within a world, which is exactly what he is doing here. The vault which separates the waters is called sky because it’s being formed as the top of a new world within the world. The Creator separates the light from the dark. One world is in the light while the second world is in the dark. All of this is describing, from a first-person / phenomenological view, the external world (revealed) and the internal world (concealed).
The father promised the child a new paradise in a new world. Believers await the fulfillment of this promise in the external world because they see this world as singular. This is the only world they can see. Remember, Christ blesses those who believe without seeing. He blesses those who are willing to be guided by the Holy Spirit through the world hidden in darkness. For whoever is willing to blind themselves, the HS will guide you to the promised land.
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When the Creator separates the water above from the water below with a vault, why does he call the vault “sky”? What is God doing here?
God creates worlds, but he also creates a world within a world, which is exactly what he is doing here. The vault which separates the waters is called sky because it
The Bronze Age goat herders who write the old Testament were trying to make sense out of the world and justify their patriarchal society, their slave holdings, hatred of gays, shellfish, and genocides.
The father promised the child a new paradise in a new world. Believers await the fulfillment of this promise in the external world because they see this world as singular. This is the only world they can see. Remember, Christ blesses those who believe without seeing. He blesses those who are willing to be guided by the Holy Spirit through the world hidden in darkness. For whoever is willing to blind themselves, the HS will guide you to the promised land.
Christ was just a man. There is no reasonable evidence he had any supernatural powers, just as there isn’t any for a creator.
You need to establish strong reasons to believe in them before anyone should care about what you think about their motives.
