A perfect god?
In the bible, Matthew 5:48, it says something to the effect of "be perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect."
So then according to Christianity god is a perfect being. To be perfect implies that you have no needs, wants, desires, flaws, or any need to change at all from your state of perfection. Therefore god would have no need, desire, or any other reason to create us. But we do exist, therefore a perfect god cannot. Obviously a non-perfect god could still exist, but then the bible must be soundly rejected as the word of god, since it contains a mistake about god's nature(among countless other mistakes and contradictions but let's focus on this for now).
This argument probably has been made many times but it's been on my mind. Welcoming discussion.
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Where does God say people have to stop being Jews?
Is a jew who accepted Jesus as the messiah still a jew?
Do you consider messianic jews Jews?
What about the Sabbath? Yes it is part of Mosiac law but it is also talked about as the day of rest back in Genesis. There was no such thing as a Jew in Genesis so it must have been meant for everyone
Slavoj Zizek would argue that Christians are not "not Jews" but are instead non-Jews as people who are inexorably tied to Judaism but are not themselves Jews.
A Jewish person who accepted Jesus the messiah (for rejecting the devil's offer) would be a non-Jew as well but would not necessarily be a Christian as they may (correctly) reject the trinity and believe that Jesus was a prophet and not God incarnate.
As for the rituals within the Bible, these were for people from two thousand + years ago and should be discarded if they are harmful and we can easily contextualize this as the immanence of God giving people structure at that time for reasons that are lost to history.
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That doesn't make much sense though. because that defeats the entire point of God dying on the cross. he's mercifull because he cares. and WANTS us to be in heaven with him. God is not a robot, nobody is controlling him. he has emotion and desires. if this were not true the universe and humans wouldn't exist because literally everything exist because God wanted it to. God doesn't need anything, he only acts on what he wants.
That doesn't make much sense though. because that defeats the entire point of God dying on the cross. he's mercifull because he cares. and WANTS us to be in heaven with him. God is not a robot, nobody is controlling him. he has emotion and desires. if this were not true the universe and humans would
obv. u dont see the contradiction.
a little pompous as well to pretend u know what god is and u know his like us with emotions and all.
That doesn't make much sense though. because that defeats the entire point of God dying on the cross. he's mercifull because he cares. and WANTS us to be in heaven with him. God is not a robot, nobody is controlling him. he has emotion and desires. if this were not true the universe and humans would
So God sacrificed himself to himself and gave up a weekend to serve as a loophole for the rules he made up and forced on us? Cool story bro.
God is like that neighbor with the great pool and BBQ setup who says you are always invited over to the party, all you need to do is bow down to worship him and not eat shellfish, but if you refuse to (or never was told about the party) he’s going to come over to your house and burn you alive, because he “loves” you.
Slavoj Zizek would argue that Christians are not "not Jews" but are instead non-Jews as people who are inexorably tied to Judaism but are not themselves Jews.
A Jewish person who accepted Jesus the messiah (for rejecting the devil's offer) would be a non-Jew as well but would not necessarily be a Chr
A Jew who accepts Jesus as the messiah is actually called a”gullible”, given there is no evidence Jesus even existed outside of the Christian sales manual, the New Testament.
Is vengeance a form of 'perfection'?
A Jew who accepts Jesus as the messiah is actually called a”gullible”, given there is no evidence Jesus even existed outside of the Christian sales manual, the New Testament.
There is no controversy about the existence of Jesus among historians. You've been spending too much time online and not enough time reading primary material of the subject matter experts. Even atheist polemicists acknowledge that Jesus existed as a Jewish Rabbi largely similar to how he is characterized in the Gospels. See Bart Ehrman, Dale Allison, or Dom Crosson who all reject the tenants of Christianity but have spent large portions of their career correcting the absurd suggestion that Jesus didn't exist. Jesus mythicism is equivalent to holocaust denial among the experts in the field.
The etymology of your claim that only the Bible attests to the existence of Jesus can largely be traced back to a lol bad documentary called Zeitgeist. I bet you watched it didn't you? He's in the same source(Tacitus) that we use to show the existence of many Greco Roman figures. If we throw out the testimony of Josephus, Thallus, Clement, Papias, Tacitus, Suetonius, etc then we're no longer doing history. That's fine but it's important that you're up front that your claim that Jesus didn't exist would get laughed out of any history department in the west.
