Does Masculinity Have Any Value?

So lock up during time of peace and only break glass in time of war?

that's idiotic... and it is not even remotely psychological.

If father leaves the home and shacks up with another woman/family/starts a new family, or just disappears, the children are damaged twice: first from rejection by their father, the most damaging rejection there is; second from the partial rejection by the mother, who loses that part of their bond connected to the father. Yes dysfunction also exists in traditional families, Marx and the communists argued to abolish the family because it could not fulfil its own duties, generally speaking at that time, which was to an extent true depending on the circumstances. Family breakdown is completely normalised today, in cultures like the US and Britain. This is planned.

In the post-war period it was possible for a family to live on one manual worker's wage, have a car, enjoy holidays, own your own home. Masculinity is an important principle underpinning this ideal - men have a role in providing for the family, a fulfilling role. The state do not want women at home raising their own children.. so feminism is weaponised. Yet raising children is the most fulfilling role anybody can do, what is more, it pays back in the long term - children might actually want to care for their parents when they are old and frail.

Beyond all that there is a symbolism at work: partaking in traditional relationships means making lifelong vows. To be masculine, to be a man, is to fulfil those promises and to sacrifice your own selfish desires for the good of others. That can take other forms of course, but it's a decent starting point. To be secular is to simply apply the same principles in a different language.

While this is a good summary of the traditional view, I feel like it falls flat to more and more of the feminist types.

Women have become so integrated in the Western (mostly service based) economy that I don’t think ‘providing’ can be considered masculine anymore.

Here is a scenario: an upper middle class feminist with a secure job, living in a safe neighborhood in the USA. She tells her husband (who works a gender neutral job), “I see no value in masculinity anymore. You should follow my lead and act more like a woman.”

If her husband is an average secular westerner, I don’t see him being capable of making a convincing case for masculinity.

This is going to increasingly become the case as drones and other technology replace traditional masculine tasks.

Again, I know the case for masculinity within a Christian frame, but within the western secular frame? It’s getting thin.

Good point, the shift to the service economy/job insecurity/wage depreciation/trade union decomposition etc etc runs parallel to the decline in traditional masculinity as a cultural norm. Trans-humanism requires it. Housing is the other huge driver. All facets of an unspoken cultural revolution. An inevitable endgame of an unchecked 50+ years of Neo-liberalism.

Then we have the tiresome psy-ops, the Andrew Tates of the world cashing in. That kind of 'masculinity' is as foreign to masculinity as pornography is to feminism. The football hooligan phenomenon in the UK in the 1980s-90s was a bit of a knee-jerk response perhaps, but was ultimately driven by the state or aspects of it, intent on undermining true masculinity by destroying their own straw man depiction, and it mostly worked.

What do we mean by secularism? I see secularism as just a way to persuade different religious groupings to co-exist peacefully, this is its purpose, which is why it is a travesty when the secular Baathist governments fell because they are replaced by medieval gangs. All of our laws are religious, not secular whatever that is. If the future is complete breakdown of societal and marital norms, some trans-humanist Philip k dick Mad Max reality without church, God and country and all that stuff, it will be necessarily lawless.