2024 NFL Draft Thread
If this feels like déjà vu, that's because it is. For the second season in a row, the Panthers have the #1 overall pick. It's not often that SE members have the opportunity to start consecutive NFL draft threads as the honorary member whose team has the #1 overall pick.
Oh, ****. You mean we earned the #1 overall pick and don't actually have it?
What? You're saying we traded the #1 overall pick this year for the #1 overall pick last year plus gave up DJM, 1.09, 2.31 and a 2nd round pick next season? Well, surely that means we must have picked someone really good last year.
What's that? Between the last two draft classes, it's possible our guy is the 7th best QB taken in the first round? No ****ing way.
Well, at least we hired some new coaches again. I'm sure it'll work out better this time.
Time for the 10 burning questions of the first round.
1. Will the Bears find a way to fumble the bag, anyways? What will Caleb Williams be wearing and will his nail polish match his outfit?
2. Will NE select a QB, trade back, or take a generational WR with no one to throw the ball to him?
3. Will No.1 Chargers avoid taking a WR hoping that Justin Herbert can both throw and catch the ball?
4. Is Sean Payton actively tanking the Broncos organization even further or will he reach for a QB?
5. Will the Bills take another top 100 pass catcher in the first round or will they expect perennial MVP candidate Jawsh to do it all like Kermit?
6. Will Miami draft the fastest guy in combine history?
7. Will the Panthers wait until 33 to **** it up again or will they try to make another bad trade up?
8. Will the Jets do anything to protect their 40 year old conspiracy theorist politician?
9. Will the Cowboys do anything to improve their team or has Jerry simply stopped caring at this point?
10. What will the 49ers do now that they've finally paid off the Trey Lance trade?
Tune in Thursday at 8 pm eastern to find out.
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Well I'm not sure Miami needed 2 more tiny WRs
sean payton tells reporters he baited the vikings into trading up one spot for JJ by feigning interest. he successfully duped a non-conference team (possibly burning bridges as a potential trade partner in the future) into giving a conference foe more draft capital. between that, "almost" drafting mahomes, and nix being his guy at 12, I think it's safe to say payton is an absolute wizard.
He’s my most unlikeable current NFL coach
Payton wanting Mahomes was fairly well reported even at the time. The last sentence is certainly bullshit, though, unless he's lost his mind (not impossible).
Well, they need a QB, but they couldn't get one, so I guess they just went BPA. Bowers is a good pick for them.
Worthy would be a bust on like 15+ teams but on KC he probably goes for 2k yards
I think Worthy will be good. His college production profile was very strong. He's not John Ross.
The player. Moving into the first is whatever, I guess. They are trying to add a 5yo option edge by giving up 60 spots of value. I'd still have preferred to just save that value, even in the later rounds, and take the dude at 33, especially for a team that needs a lot, but I can at least understand the theory.
I think Legette is a terrible prospect. Without the extra COVID year, the guy would have finished his college career with 42 catches, 423 yards and 5 TDs over 41 games played. He pro
Good analysis.
Also, one more time for the thread:
lol Falcons
I think J.J. McCarthy can be good
The reason I think that is because of some of his advanced numbers:
https://cfbstats.com/2023/player/418/112...
Specifically, the third-and-long and fourth-down passing numbers. In the most high-leverage spots and where it was most obvious the team was going to pass, he delivered. And outside of Roman Wilson, without much in the way of NFL talent at wide receiver, and against a pretty good slate of defenses.
A lot of QBs with the typical "looks the part, doesn't pass much but Just Wins Games" profile aren't as young or efficient or even as physically talented as him. He just turned 21 in January, and with the development curve and the smaller passing sample size, there's still some variance in his possible outcomes. But the actual passing numbers make me think he has a shot to succeed.
The point re early declares is less true than it used to be, albeit it’s still IMO a truism
Now that there’s NIL money more of the underclass men who get mid to late Rd grades will now stay at school both as a business decision to hope they get drafted higher and because there’s less of them and their families suffering extreme poverty than before
The point re early declares is less true than it used to be, albeit it’s still IMO a truism
Now that there’s NIL money more of the underclass men who get mid to late Rd grades will now stay at school both as a business decision to hope they get drafted higher and because there’s less of them and their families suffering extreme poverty than before
I see your point, and the COVID year / extra year of eligibility complicates it even further, but I still think, even with later-declaring guys, you want them to be producing early as well. (Jayden Reed is a good example.)
I think Troy Franklin has a chance to be better than any receiver drafted on day 2.
Pretty happy with the Saints draft:
- They didn't make some ridiculous trade up in round 1, stayed put and got good value on a guy at an important position of need.
- Their trade up in round 2 didn't cost much and seemed smart strategically. (Cooper DeJean and Kool-Aid McKinstry were seen as first-round players on the media and consensus boards, and when DeJean went they moved up and only gave up a 5th and 6th. The Texans took Kamari Lassiter with the very next pick, and the Cardinals took Max Melton with the pick after that, so it seems highly likely McKinstry wouldn't have been there for their pick.
- The 5th round seems like a fine place to take a shot on a guy like Spencer Rattler. He has the talent to potentially develop into a starting QB one day, if his head is in the game and he's matured (and whatever other deficiencies he has aren't disqualifying).
- I have little to no opinion on the other guys, although Jaylan Ford seemed like good value. But the others are a 5th, 6th, and 7th-- anything we get out of them is a plus.
The reason I think that is because of some of his advanced numbers:
https://cfbstats.com/2023/player/418/112...
Specifically, the third-and-long and fourth-down passing numbers. In the most high-leverage spots and where it was most obvious the team was going to pass, he delivered. And outside of Roman Wilson, without much in the way of NFL talent at wide receiver, and against a pretty good slate of defenses.
A lot of QBs with the typical "looks the part, doesn't pass much
I don't disagee with you, but I think that short changes the receiving talent a bit, given that Cornelius Johnson was also drafted and a lot of his throws also went to TEs, of which he had 2 pros each year.
Regardless, Minnesota is a very good situation for him.
other than blowing it and not trading back to #7 and taking Penix there, what does the thread think about the pats picks?
Yea, espn panel including belichick said they really liked him. Me I'd like to see more talent for a first round pick. I don't watch much college at all, but these things are apparent in college for some players. I saw a youtube of Rodgers back in college, they were amazed and almost laughing at how he just flicked his wrist and zipped it 20yrds downfield. I just wouldn't want to draft JJ first round, was glad my team passed. But he could be good.
was worried mccarthy is a christian ponder redux but stats and tape tell a different story. cool fact: ponder went 12th in the nfl draft after going 61%, 6.8ypa, 20td/8int his senior year with fsu. lol vikings always.
also concerned jj benefited from favorable game scenarios and teams stacking the box, but he had stellar stats on 3rd & long... best in ncaa iirc
thinking (hoping) he's actually undervalued just due to reduced volume playing under harbaugh. decent chance o'connell -- who made goff and cousins look like ubermenschen -- can turn him into a stud.
this was o'connell's reaction after kwesi informed him they were trading up for stewart:
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I think I’m good with how the Niners approached the draft operating under the assumption aiyuk isn’t being extended yet and neither him or Deebo are getting traded
One year window to slam the pedal and go all in. **** it let’s see what happens
easiest to rationalize any particular situation late april
other than blowing it and not trading back to #7 and taking Penix there, what does the thread think about the pats picks?
That would have been a mistake, Maye is a significantly better prospect
I think they reached on Polk and probably that third round offensive lineman too. Javon Baker and Jaheim Bell could be steals tho
I don't disagee with you, but I think that short changes the receiving talent a bit, given that Cornelius Johnson was also drafted and a lot of his throws also went to TEs, of which he had 2 pros each year.
Regardless, Minnesota is a very good situation for him.
Yeah, I might be overstating it, but Johnson for example was nearly Mr. Irrelevant and a 23-year-old, not really a whole lot of NFL upside there I don't think. Compare to, say, where the guys Daniels and Penix were throwing to got drafted.
Yeah, I might be overstating it, but Johnson for example was nearly Mr. Irrelevant and a 23-year-old, not really a whole lot of NFL upside there I don't think. Compare to, say, where the guys Daniels and Penix were throwing to got drafted.
RAS scores for Daniels guys: Nabers 9.88, Thomas 9.97
RAS scores for Penix guys: Odunze 9.69, Polk 9.47, McMillan 9.33
/shrug
Yeah that's because RAS doesn't matter that much for receivers (before we even get into questions of how effectively RAS measures athleticism). It's a highly technical position. Athletic ability actually correlates negatively with day-2 pick WR success.
