Bad Coaching Thread: Matt Eberflus canned like chunk light tuna
Here's the last line from the box score of yesterday's Loiusville - Kentucky game.
UK TD 0:28
STEVE JOHNSON 57 YD PASS FROM ANDRE' WOODSON
(LONES SEIBER KICK)
Drive info: 8 plays, 74 yards.
UL 34 UK 40
Ya been thinking about this. As HC you're thinking at 12s left, ok he'll snap it, don't need to use TO. Then same thought again at 10, 9, 8...
I blame Caleb more than the coach. Still Eberflolz is hilarious.
I blame both of them but I lean the coach more. After a sack a quarterback is dazed and confused. The receivers are running back to the line of scrimmage. It's exhaustion and chaos that mostly favors the defense. The opposite is true when the offense has a positive play.
Caleb was especially dazed and confused and deserves his share of the blame, but I think you have to call a timeout and regroup after the sack. The kicking team would have around 20 seconds to get onto the field and kick the field goal if there were a moving clock in-bounds on 3rd down.
It's 90% (maybe even higher) on the coach there. When people talk about what impacts the coach has on the game, it's moments like that. Does anyone think Belichick or Reid wouldn't have immediately used their TO with 30 seconds left?
That's plenty of time to complete a 5 to 10 yard pass, clock it, and then kick the FG.
New Thread Title!!!
Matt Eberflus doesn't believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and Timeouts.
Ben Johnson uses a Timeout there
It's 90% (maybe even higher) on the coach there. When people talk about what impacts the coach has on the game, it's moments like that. Does anyone think Belichick or Reid wouldn't have immediately used their TO with 30 seconds left?
That's plenty of time to complete a 5 to 10 yard pass, clock it, and then kick the FG.
Well that would be spiking the ball on 4th down, which is possibly the only decision worse than what actually happened. 20s should be plenty of time to run the FG team out and kick it though, so taking a TO immediately after the sack with the plan to try to gain a few yards and do that would have been an entirely reasonable plan.
Caleb Williams admits to CHANGING the 3rd down play with time running out:
“We got lined up, got the play & then I made an adjustment cuz I saw the clock running down, knowing that if we complete a ball inbounds, we won't have time to kick a FG.”
bro your team had a timeout left
To be fair to Eberflus, he was actually going to win a challenge yesterday but that pesky replay assist buzzed down and corrected the call without an official review.
Poor guy just can't catch a break.
Aaaaaaaaaaand he's gone.
first Bears head coach to ever be fired mid-season
took longer than expected.
I think he means with the assumption that they got the play off with a reasonable amount of time left. Agreed that a lot of it is on Caleb and the team. Looked like no urgency and everybody looked set with ~11s left and somehow they don't snap it until :06 left? HC has to eventually step in and just call TO
oh there was absolutely ZERO urgency which is on the players and coaches. what an inexcusable **** show.
Rewind the tape and tell us exactly when you cut bait and call that timeout. And you're taking a timeout so you can attempt a 59 yard field goal?
And what’s your plan then? You don’t have enough time for a play to end in bounds and get fg unit on the field. The fact that people here are saying to spike the ball on fourth down having the luxury of having unlimited time to determine the optimal outcome speaks volumes.
And what’s your plan then? You don’t have enough time for a play to end in bounds and get fg unit on the field. The fact that people here are saying to spike the ball on fourth down having the luxury of having unlimited time to determine the optimal outcome speaks volumes.
Most teams can get the field goal unit on and kick it in 15s (I believe it's been done in 7s before but normal case seems to be 12-15s) so calling the timeout at ~23s sounds pretty good to me.
Most teams can get the field goal unit on and kick it in 15s (I believe it's been done in 7s before but normal case seems to be 12-15s) so calling the timeout at ~23s sounds pretty good to me.
We are talking about a team that took 27 seconds to snap the ball after a sack so I don’t think the most team label applies to this situation. Curious about a source for the time it takes to get fg unit on unless you are deducing from a singular college football example.
Rewind the tape and tell us exactly when you cut bait and call that timeout. And you're taking a timeout so you can attempt a 59 yard field goal?
anything is better than what they did. Punting and hoping for a fumble while close lining a referee makes more sense than what they did. After a few seconds seeing zero urgency from your team at all you call it. You could argue for calling it right away . What you can't do is let the clock run all the way down to 4 or 5 seconds and chuck a hail mary.
You do realize that they had 32 seconds left, had one time out and got exactly one play off right? It's inexcusable. If you wanna nitpick over the precise optimal time to use the timeout that's one thing but the game can't end like this.
anything is better than what they did. Punting and hoping for a fumble while close lining a referee makes more sense than what they did. After a few seconds seeing zero urgency from your team at all you call it. You could argue for calling it right away . What you can't do is let the clock run all the way down to 4 or 5 seconds and chuck a hail mary.
You do realize that they had 32 seconds left, had one time out and got exactly one play off right? It's inexcusable.
To play devil’s advocate, you are planning to have Caleb snap the ball at 12 seconds, get 10 yards on a crossing pattern vs button hook over the middle, then call time out. When do you call timeout?
EDIT: What Pierce just did is way worse than Eberflus in the Lion’s game.
To play devil’s advocate, you are planning to have Caleb snap the ball at 12 seconds, get 10 yards on a crossing pattern vs button hook over the middle, then call time out. When do you call timeout?
EDIT: What Pierce just did is way worse than Eberflus in the Lion’s game.
Why does it take 20 seconds to snap the ball?
But yes even what you said would be better than what the Bears did.
I'm sure someone a lot smarter than me with regards to football can draw up a better play than me, and can pin point exactly when to call a time out. But the coach shouldn't have been allowed on the plane after they only got one play off.
And the team having zero sense of urgency whatsoever goes back to piss poor coaching not preparing players.
Because you have a rookie QB who just got sacked and Kmet and Moore are arguing about where to line up.
then call time out well before 20 seconds.
If an NBA team is down 2 with 10 seconds left, no time outs and they have to go the length of the court you can argue about taking a 2 or 3 and I'm sure come up with good arguments for both. But you can't pull up and chuck a 3 from the other team's foul line which is probably better what the Bears did here.
then call time out well before 20 seconds.
If an NBA team is down 2 with 10 seconds left, no time outs and they have to go the length of the court you can argue about taking a 2 or 3 and I'm sure come up with good arguments for both. But you can't pull up and chuck a 3 from the other team's foul line which is probably better what the Bears did here.
But assuming you have competent players, getting 10 yards then taking the timeout is >>> taking time out then ???.
What an odd hill to die on
But assuming you have competent players, getting 10 yards then taking the timeout is >>> taking time out then ???.
I'm not their coach. Their coach should know exactly how long it takes to get the field goal unit on the field and get a clean kick off when they're in a rushed situation. So maybe it makes sense to call the time out right away maybe it doesn't. What makes no sense is the game ending with you only getting one play off. If they had no timeouts left the game still can't end with only getting one play off here.
As it turned out obviously the best time to take TO was immediately after the sack, 31 or 32 seconds remaining (I thought it was 35 sec but not a big difference).
It gets the staff and QB aligned on what to do on 3rd, and likely 4th down. It was 3rd and 16 so going for 4th down was possible, but not likely.
Bears needed 6 yards for a 52 yd FG. But they could throw it over the middle for 10-12 yds and as stated above have ample time to get the kicking team out there with the clock running. These are the kinds of options that can be discussed with a TO.
Worst case (outside of getting sacked) should have been a 58 yd FG attempt.
But assuming you have competent players, getting 10 yards then taking the timeout is >>> taking time out then ???.
In a near perfect situation where everybody knows what the plan is, maybe a marginal gain (because DET has less time) . But the actual situation was anything but that.