GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

No one is arguing that Harden is better than Jordan. jfc.

Again, those numbers are meaningless because....

1) beginner format (everyone says MJ would average 50 today)

2) low burden (31% of team points)

2) low defensive attention (3 "pippen-level" scorers)

4) worst brand of ball ever (90% unassisted/solo missions)

5) defense (MJ got 100 steals & 200 blocks)

In the 2018 Western Conference Finals, Harden attempted 11 threes per game at 24%, so the Rockets had an easy victory if not for Harden's choking... Jordan could've shot 36% on two's and matched Harden on those possessions, while the numbers above show that Jordan averaged 39% on threes in series from the regular line with 3+ attempts, so he would've likely taken 4-6 attempts at around 39% and easily won the series.

The fact that Harden was spotted a 3-2 lead despite this ineptness and also going 0 for 11 on threes in Game 5 to get the 3-2 lead (5-21 and 19 pts) further demonstrates how bad Harden is, and how easily-beatable the 18' Warriors actually were... Jordan would've annihilated them with that Rockets' roster, let alone his 90's Bulls.

You're saying that Harden's peak scoring is equal or better, but his playoff numbers (adjustment basketball) show that the Rockets had an easy win against the 2018 Warriors, if not for Harden's inept scoring style and ability.. Harden's playoff scoring ability is nothing compared to Jordan, so his peak ability is nowhere near Jordan - he can't even play off-ball, on the post, or without a step-back, smh.

And again, everyone says that Jordan would annihilate Harden's stats in today's beginner format, while Harden's burden was much lower with less defensive attention, no defense, and the worst brand of ball ever.

Pippen didn't score in 1994 - the triangle did... Specifically, after 7 years of perfecting the offense, the triangle provided 22 points of open looks.. Otherwise, he was like a fish out of water outside the triangle (just a dunker).

Mastering the triangle also provided stability, so the Bulls weren't as affected by the league-wide decline in scoring that occurred from the 3-point line getting closer, thereby shrinking halfcourt sets.

22 ppg of system points and transition is why Pippen wasn't on scouting reports according to Shaq (previous post).. The coach tells the team to get back on defense and stop transition regardless of opponent, while guys could sag off and didn't need to close out on Pippen's jumper (and never double-team), so Pippen wasn't on scouting report like Shaq said.

Btw, in the 2018 WCF, Harden attempted 11 threes per game at 24%, so the Rockets had an easy victory if not for Harden's choking... Jordan could've shot 36% on two's and matched Harden on those possessions.

The fact that Harden was spotted a 3-2 lead despite this garbage choking and also going 0 for 11 on threes in Game 5 to get the 3-2 lead (5-21 and 19 pts) - this further demonstrates how bad Harden is, and how easily-beatable the 18' Warriors actually were... Jordan would've annihilated them with that Rockets' roster, let alone his 90's Bulls.

So you're saying that Harden's peak scoring is equal or better, but his playoff numbers (adjustment basketball) show that the Rockets had an easy win against the 2018 Warriors, if not for Harden's inept scoring style and ability.. Harden's playoff scoring ability is nothing compared to Jordan, so his peak ability is nowhere near Jordan - he can't even play off-ball, on the post, or without a step-back, smh.

And again, everyone says that Jordan would annihilate Harden's stats in today's beginner format, while Harden's burden was much lower with less defensive attention, no defense, and the worst brand of ball ever.

So even though I've taken the effort to explain this three or four times, now you're just going to ignore it bc there's no counter except admitting you were wrong about something super small?

You really are a dick and an egomaniac.

- Ah ok , so it’s not jordan that scored , it’s the triangle lol…

- Harden lost 2 games because he had no all stars and Chris Paul was not paying .
To believe 11 3pts explain the lost of 2 games is lol…
It’s funny how u cherry oick is less stats and the day playoffs is all that matters , then no only the finals that matters then , ho no no , it’s the regular season that matters only lol…

- So the 2018 warriors was easily beaten one of the greatest teams ever assembled with one of your top 10 and with KD ?
lol …
So curry just awesome all time great with KD and yet harden choked because he had no allstars and no Chris Paul and shouldn’t even be leading 3-2 in the first place if he suck so much lol .

- Lol how can harden with the least attention if he always had the ball in his hands ?
AND 20 FGA plus 10FTA lol..mvp1

The stupid things u can say , contradiction all over the place and u are proud of it .

Ps: if such a horrible layer like Scottie can score 20ppg I swear to you harden can score more then 28 ppg to win the scoring championships.
Btw Scottie bad scorer , the triangle did for him .
Jordan only 28 ppg in the triangle -> Jordan awesome lol

Yup he is .
The guy can’t even see when he gets owned lol.
Thx FG for the laugh , was entertaining but clearly you have so idea how wrong you can be sometimes be , it tiresome .
Hope someday u will find some enlightenment.
Cya

Fwiw I really thought some here were being hateful on FG but after exchanging with him a bit , I was wrong lol.

Is there any evidence that Shaq knows anything legit about basketball?

Shaq replied to something Pippen said negative about his team. Shaq's an insecure man. Pretty lol at use that quote.

Everyone knows that basketball peaked during a huge expansion in the 90s, and when there was 7-8 players in the paint at all times, and 2-4 of them can't make a shot from 4 feet away.

It's hilarious that FG ignores everything that lined up for Jordan, and assumes that every other era needed to match that exact formula.

Montreal went from being a Jordan fan, so blatantly lying about his career.

Now he says that Jordan won many scoring titles with only 28 ppg when 5 of 6 scoring titles were over 30 ppg

This is why I reduced my responses to him due to the lying.

Jordan averaged 37 outside the triangle, and he won MVP/DPOY (goat season)... Otoh, Pippen was a 14 ppg dunker outside the triangle because the triangle.

Most people don't know that the triangle is specifically designed to get open looks for role players like Pippen, and the "equal-opportunity" offense essentially allows everyone to average the same ppg... i.e. role players like Pippen, BJ, Kerr, and Paxson would see their numbers increase, while the stars like MJ would be muffled and come to the pack.

Obviously, it won't work out exactly that way, but Phil told MJ that he wouldn't be scoring champ anymore because he anticipated this type of evening-out effect of the ball movement..

However, the "assisted rate" stat didn't exist back then, so Phil wasn't readily-aware that MJ's buckets were already assisted by teammates, and despite becoming an NBA superstar, MJ was still receptive to ball movement systems just like he was in college... Accordingly, MJ was scoring champ for 7 of 7 seasons in the triangle... He actually didn't initially realize that the triangle allowed him to do what he liked, which was to post-up, as he talks about in college [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F1Hy1IHfqM&t=10s]here[/url].

Btw, regarding the triangle elevating role players like Pippen - you don't have to take my word for it - listen to Dominique call Pippen a role player here... Pippen was nothing outside the system that he grew up in (system player)... It's similar to Draymond, who wouldn't be considered an all-timer if he was losing on the Wizards or something for his career.. Ultimately, only a generational offensive talent can turn defenders like Dray and Pippen into stars.

Harden's trash performance proved that the 18' Warriors were easily-beatable just like the 08' Celtics because garbage performances nearly beat them (08' Lebron, 18' Harden).

The 16' Warriors were better but simply got robbed by Silver... Those Warriors had just enough gas in the tank to win 73 and the title, but the Draymond suspension shut down the engine without enough time to get back running again.. 100% robbery by Silver..

So you give Shaq credit for coming up with such a witty quip like that???... lol

"you wasn't on the scouting report"

lol, I mean.... that's pretty clever.

Shaq was clearly recalling the scouting reports and "key defensive assignments"... That's where Pippen would show up... However, why would he ever show up there?... Is he a shooter like Paxson or Kerr that require closing out on?.. Does he require double-teaming?... I have no doubt that the only advice needed about Pippen was already on in every scouting report, aka "get back on defense"... And then you're good - Pippen is a non-factor... Again, listen to Dominique call pippen a role player here.

David Stern basically set up MJ to win Championships. Literally handed them to him.

And Kobe/Shaq as well.

And you want to say that Silver gave the chip to LeBron in 2016. I'm a Warriors fan and I don't even think that. smh.

The fact that you think it might be a possibility Pippen wasn't on a scouting report is just... I mean... seriously?

There are no highlights of Kobe breaking Jordan's ankles off a live dribble - there's only examples of Jordan stuffing Kobe's live dribble (I didn't show all of them).. Btw, there's 1 example of Iverson breaking Jordan, but a million of Jordan stuffing Iverson's dribble and making him look foolish - this is old Jordan against young Iverson.

In contrast to Jordan stuffing Kobe and Iverson's live dribble, Pippen got torched over and over by Kobe's handle because he can't handle quick ballhandlers, which is why he was never the primary ballhandler on them... The only exception is the slowest point guard of all-time - Mark Jackson.

You never played, so stop talking and pretending as if you did..... Dominique said Pippen was a R-O-L-E P-L-A-Y-E-R..... Do you know what a role player is??... It's a guy that isn't on the scouting report, just like Shaq said.

Again, you never played and have no clue how coaches and players actually talk about their opponents in the locker room - they aren't PC like they are with reporters - that would be ridiculous.

Again, Shaq didn't pull this out of thin air and it's hardly an uncommon sentiment.. You're starting to play your "I don't know anything about basketball" game to avoid the fact that Pippen couldn't score.. It's widely-known that he was a lucky system player that couldn't take over or dominate.

Silver suspended Draymond mid-series and lets Lebron team up with top 3 players on 3 different occasions.

When did Stern do something that only benefitted MJ?.... Literally never.... And Stern stopped CP3 from joining Kobe... So only Lebron gets the free ride and yet he still can't win as many titles as MJ, Kobe, and many more.

By your own admission, you're forced to focus on "something super small" because you lost the debate badly.. And the "super small" thing is something you made up that I didn't say... I never said Harden only won 45-50 games with CP3 - you lied about that because I was killing Fidstar in the actual argument, which was comparing Harden's peak scoring years to Jordan's...

Btw, Fidstar ran from the debate of comparing Harden and Jordan's peak scoring ability once I mentioned the playoff numbers... This was after showing Harden's lower burden in the regular season (only 31% of team points) and lower defensive attention (greater scoring help), or worst-ever basketball (90% unassisted/solo missions, aka playground ball)..

lol. Watch the calls the Bulls used to get and tell me it's not rigged.

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Things that Silver did that only benefitted Lebron:


* Draymond suspension

* Bronny in NBA

* Allowed team-ups with "top 3" players on 3 different occasions (Wade has admitted to the collusion, yet the rings haven't been stripped)... Each team-up with Wade, AD, and Luka was super weird, awkward, and strange (collusion in the air).



Things that Stern did that only benefitted MJ:

Luka with 5 consecutive 30/5/5 games. Took Kobe 8 years before he was consistent enough to do that.

Might bump Kobe out of the Top 10 Lakers of all time soon.

lol @ blaming Silver for Lakers drafting Bronny.