SE Hoya Containment Thread (aka Politics)
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SE Hoya Containment Thread (aka Politics)

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03 December 2015 at 07:37 PM
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by StoppedRainingMen m

Nobody sold anything like HBK sold hogan

Wasn't that considered over selling?

Wasn't HBk mad at the outcome and decided to troll the match?

That's what I've heard in my recent deep dive into wwe.


So, sending dudes to concentration camps is generally something the bad guys in history have done right?


Depends on if they ever said "ceasefire now"


by RT m

So, sending dudes to concentration camps is generally something the bad guys in history have done right?

"Trump Openly Defies 9-0 Supreme Court Decision, Promises US Citizens Will Be Sent To Gulag"

is that bad?

shitlibs finally having their are we the baddies? epiphany? nahhh, never


so many people are saying that the couch****er killed the pope, wow


by 72off m

"Trump Openly Defies 9-0 Supreme Court Decision, Promises US Citizens Will Be Sent To Gulag"

is that bad?

shitlibs finally having their are we the baddies? epiphany? nahhh, never

shitlibs are like, hes really cleaning the place up but we wish he was nicer about it.




turns out nobody cares about you vic


Trump is arresting judges now.

America is gonezo.

Ruled by an incompetent dictator now.


by Chilltown m

Trump is arresting judges now.

America is gonezo.

Ruled by an incompetent dictator now.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that ends with governors arresting federal agents and national guards being mobilized. Trump has ultimately blinked on basically every policy so far, wonder if Evers has it in him.


by 72off m

lolcanada updatefor context - because of our undemocratic electoral system, it's possible to form a majority government with like 37% of the national vote, probably less, and you can win a minority government in the low 30s. anyway for a bunch of reasons the conservative party has been coasting in the 40-45% range for years, poised to take absolute power whenever the next elect

by RT m

Libs 46, Conservatives 35

Carney up 22-points over Poilievre whenv9ters are asked for preferred PM. MAGA is wholly toxic everywhere but the US and Eastern Germany it seems.

new reports suggesting that lil pierre might not even win his own seat lmao, which would go a long way toward explaining why he's completely absent from their latest round of ads. clown was coasting toward total power over the country 4 months ago, could end up as unemployed toxic garbage on monday uh2ci


"Trump Deports 4-Year-Old US Citizen With Stage-4 Cancer"

usa#1


Polls closed in Canada, best of luck


pollsters seemed to suggest that liberal lead narrowed to 4-5 points in the closing days, literally no idea why, but yeah fingers crossed that the worst outcome doesn't happen


I get the guys forgoing 3rd parties to pick a side in the "Fascism eh?" vs. "Fascism nay!" debate, but WTF is going on in Newfoundland & Labrador. NDP>Conservative crossover??



newfie

A slang term for a person of Newfoundland, Canada's most easterly province. Mostly used by ignorant people or those who think the name is cute. The term is based on the belief that people from this province are dumb, uneducated, barbaric, poor, lazy and unemployed.

hmm...


Liberals win.

Trump once again proves disastrous to everything that isn't himself.


by 72off m

new reports suggesting that lil pierre might not even win his own seat lmao, which would go a long way toward explaining why he's completely absent from their latest round of ads. clown was coasting toward total power over the country 4 months ago, could end up as unemployed toxic garbage on monday uh2ci

Aaaaaand Pierre lost his seat. He's got to be pissed. Could've done nothing and coasted to a win if Trump could've got 100 days without threatening to invade a sovereign nation and close ally.


The North remembers!

Honestly best case scenario. Lib minority with npd/bloc as allies, and little PP lost his seat.

Glorious result.

Let me celebrate by drinking Crown Royal whiskey and eating a poutine.

Canada>USA ainec. Stfu wiper you little bitch I bet you won't say anything without getting it approved by your overlords first. Chilltown in Yo face.


by RT m

Aaaaaand Pierre lost his seat. He's got to be pissed. Could've done nothing and coasted to a win if Trump could've got 100 days without threatening to invade a sovereign nation and close ally.

The Aussies had their elections and the same thing happened. Labour wins, Conservative leader lost his seat. I know we probably won't get free and fair elections again, but I'm hoping maybe Trump and friends are just too incompetent to get around to breaking them.


Carney is already talking about letting PP have an easy riding so he can become a mp again.

Personally I think he’s doing that because he knows PP is extremely weak and would rather deal with him than a more competent opposition leader.


Isn’t Canadian politics fun!

I voted for the first time and now can whip my dick out and talk about it in a semi informed manner.

****** boorish American politics might be more interesting to follow but for all the wrong reasons like we see how awful it is.


prayed for days like these...

When John Fetterman was released from Walter Reed hospital in March 2023, Adam Jentleson, then his chief of staff, was proud of his boss for seeking help for what the senator’s office and his doctor had said was a case of clinical depression. His six weeks of inpatient care had been the latest medical setback for the Pennsylvania Democrat, who had had a stroke mere months before being elected to the U.S. Senate in 2022, nearly derailing his campaign against Republican Mehmet Oz. But a year after his release from the hospital, Fetterman’s behavior had so alarmed Jentleson that he resigned his position. In May 2024, he wrote an urgent letter to David Williamson, the medical director of the traumatic-brain-injury and neuropsychiatry unit at Walter Reed, who had overseen Fetterman’s care at the hospital. “I think John is on a bad trajectory and I’m really worried about him,” the email began. If things didn’t change, Jentleson continued, he was concerned Fetterman “won’t be with us for much longer.”

don't threaten me with a good time

His 1,600-word email came with the subject line “concerns,” and it contained a list of them, from the seemingly mundane (“He eats fast food multiple times a day”) to the scary (“We do not know if he is taking his meds and his behavior frequently suggests he is not”). “We often see the kind of warning signs we discussed,” Jentleson wrote. “Conspiratorial thinking; megalomania (for example, he claims to be the most knowledgeable source on Israel and Gaza around but his sources are just what he reads in the news — he declines most briefings and never reads memos); high highs and low lows; long, rambling, repetitive and self centered monologues; lying in ways that are painfully, awkwardly obvious to everyone in the room.”

Fetterman was, according to Jentleson, avoiding the regular checkups advised by his doctors. He was preoccupied with the social-media platform X, which he’d previously admitted had been a major “accelerant” of his depression. He drove his car so “recklessly,” Jentleson said, that staff refused to ride with him. He had also bought a gun.

never go full chris benoit

In early February 2023 — after Fetterman had indeed been sworn in — members of the Senate gathered at the Library of Congress for a caucus retreat. Fetterman, fresh off a hard-fought victory in the cycle’s marquee race, should have been riding high. Only he wasn’t. A staffer recalled getting a text from a person at the retreat asking if their boss was okay. Fetterman was sitting at a table by himself, slowly sipping a Coke and refusing to talk with anybody. Later that day, another staffer heard an alarming report from a journalist: Fetterman had just walked, obliviously, into the road and was nearly struck by a car.

[...] A week later, Democratic Ohio senator Sherrod Brown came to pay Fetterman a visit in his new Capitol Hill office. They seemed destined to get along [...] But their meeting went awry. Brown tried his best to get a conversation going, but according to two people present, Fetterman was virtually “catatonic.” He could barely string two sentences together, talking so quietly that everyone in the room had to strain to hear him. Fetterman then stood up and began walking around the office in tight loops, a move the two staffers described as doing “figure eights.” After Brown left, Fetterman paced from one room inside his office complex to another and back again. At one point, one of his aides said, he walked into the hallway peering over his shoulder, as if he were being followed by shadowy figures.

The staff got in touch with a Senate physician, and everyone agreed: Fetterman needed to get to Walter Reed. He was admitted on February 15.

Those first days in the hospital were rough. Fetterman was experiencing delusions. He thought that if he took a bed at the hospital, he would be arrested. He told doctors that he believed members of his family were wearing wires to secretly record him. In one chaotic moment, Fetterman grew convinced that a political rally was being held in the hospital’s lobby and that he needed to break out of his room to attend.

nothing to see here

But it wasn’t just staffers who were upset. There was also Fetterman’s wife, Gisele, who had become something of a political celebrity in her own right: She is a kindhearted philanthropist (the proprietor of a “free store” in Braddock that gave away goods and clothing), a formerly undocumented immigrant from Brazil, and a vocal progressive. In early November, just weeks after the attack, Gisele arrived at her husband’s Senate office and, according to a staffer present, they got into a heated argument.

“They are bombing refugee camps. How can you support this?” the staffer recalled her saying with tears in her eyes.

“That’s all propaganda,” Fetterman replied.

Later, a still visibly upset Gisele pulled the staffer aside. She asked him if members of Fetterman’s team were pushing him to take these stances for political reasons. The staffer told her that the opposite was true: Many of them were as upset as she was.

The endless fights over Israel, which saw Fetterman draw further into himself, coincided with setbacks in his recovery regimen. At that point, Fetterman hadn’t gotten his blood drawn for months, despite bloodwork being a crucial component of the plan. In the final weeks of 2023, a Senate physician called the office, according to a staffer, to say that he had seen Fetterman “acting bizarrely” near the underground trolleys that shuttle people between the Capitol and nearby office buildings. He had witnessed Fetterman, seemingly unaware of his surroundings, walk directly into a group of people, nearly bowling them over.

[...] Gisele then texted that she had told her husband that his staff and doctor were worried about him but that he told her “that’s not true and I guess I am not talking to you today” before hanging up.

don't cross the boss bitch, or i'll have my buddy donny disappear you to el salvador so fast it'll make your head spin

One staffer told me there would be entire days when they couldn’t let anyone outside the office be around him because he was in “some sort of state” and might say “really ****ed-up **** to constituents.” Sometimes he would just “shut down,” according to one former staffer. He was saying “unhinged ****,” according to one text, and spending more time on social media. Stern wrote to the group that it seemed to him like Fetterman was “spiraling” and that his constant “doomscrolling” — “I think he’s on essentially all day now?”

apartheid clyde didn't break his brain, it was already pudding

this also dovetails with those prior reports from ex-staffers that said he's mainlining faces of death style snuff videos of palestinians and russians 24/7, including trying to show them to ppl while he's driving around like a maniac

“He engages in risky behavior,” he wrote in the letter. “He drives recklessly: he FaceTimes, texts and reads entire news articles while driving — and I don’t mean while stopped at a light or something, he reads and FaceTimes while driving at high speeds.”

Less than a month later, Fetterman caught a red-eye flight back from Los Angeles after taping an episode of Bill Maher’s show. His staff urged him to have someone pick him up from the airport and drive him home, but he refused. Just before 8 a.m., according to a police report, Fetterman was traveling at “well over” the 70-mph speed limit on I-70 when he smashed his Chevy Traverse into the back of a 62-year-old woman’s Impala, totaling both cars. Gisele, who had been in the back seat, suffered a pulmonary contusion and spinal fractures. Fetterman, calling from the side of the road, told a staffer he had fallen asleep at the wheel and handed the phone to a police officer.

“It’s a miracle no one died,” the officer said.

no seriously, is there somewhere i can bet on this guy doing a benoit?

While many Democrats were shell-shocked by Trump’s victory, Fetterman seemed unfazed. [...] The Mar-a-Lago pilgrimage was a start, but Fetterman went further. He was the only Democrat to vote for Trump’s pick for attorney general, Pam Bondi. He posed for a thumbs-up photo with Elise Stefanik, then the nominee for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. And he came close to supporting Pete Hegseth, the nominee for secretary of Defense who had been dogged by reports of excessive drinking, financial mismanagement, and sexual misconduct.

[...] Fetterman became so torn by the decision that, on the day of a procedural vote that would move Hegseth’s nomination closer to completion, he floated the idea of not voting at all. “What if I left?” he asked his staff. Instead of voting, he said, maybe he should just sneak out of Washington and hole up at his parents’ place in York, Pennsylvania. “I felt like I was looking at a six-eight 8-year-old,” the staffer said.

The back-and-forth led to what one person in his office at the time called a full-blown meltdown. According to a contemporaneous text message from this staffer sent to a colleague, Fetterman had become so distraught about the Hegseth vote, as well as chatter in the media that he might switch parties and become a Republican, that he spent part of the day locked in his office, fighting with Gisele and crying while FaceTiming with staff. “He says that they are trying to cancel him again but we don’t know who ‘they’ are,” a staffer said in a text.

lmao

Fetterman’s struggles seemed to be occurring in a vacuum of his own making. He was friends with Welch of Vermont and Republican senator Katie Britt of Alabama. The three of them dined on occasion and swapped stories about their families. But beyond that, he was isolated. He deleted himself from the Democratic-caucus group chat. He rarely, if ever, attended hearings. During the first quarter of this year he missed more votes than any other senator.

nobody wants to work anymore smdh

[...] some of Fetterman’s behavior was leaking out into public. Last year, the Sunrise Movement posted a video of Fetterman mocking and filming one of his constituents, a climate activist who was calmly trying to ask him about his stance on pipelines. Earlier this year, a passenger on a flight to Pittsburgh filmed a video of Fetterman getting into an argument with the pilot about wearing his seat belt in a way that was visible to the crew. “If you want to go to Pittsburgh, it’s simple,” the pilot explains. “You’re going to have to follow our instructions or be asked to get off the airplane.”

Moments like these were becoming increasingly difficult for staff to explain. And behind the scenes, things were worse. In March, Fetterman suddenly took an early-morning trip to Hartford, Connecticut, without telling his team why — leaving them at a loss for what to tell Gisele when she demanded to know why he was missing one of their kids’ birthdays. Fetterman objected to this characterization, saying to me, “I took a weekend trip in March to visit the grave site of my friend from grad school who died in 1993 — a trip my staff and family knew about.”

tired: i have to return some video tapes
wired: i have to go to hartford

When he was in Washington, there were entire days in which his schedule was cleared because he seemed like he was in no mood to be around others. And when he did have meetings, they sometimes went south. In early February, Fetterman met with Jeremy Ben-Ami, the leader of the progressive Jewish organization J Street. Over the course of Israel’s campaign against Gaza, J Street has walked a difficult line, calling itself “pro-peace” and “pro-Israel,” a Zionist institution that isn’t afraid to take shots at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The organization lives in a gray area, but during the meeting, it became clear that Fetterman saw things in black and white.

“You can’t reform a carton of sour milk,” Fetterman told Ben-Ami, according to notes from the meeting, referring to the Palestinians. Fetterman said he did not believe in a two-state solution and claimed he had never met an Arab person who would condemn Hamas. [...] Fetterman went on to make statements that shocked people. In opposing a cease-fire, he said, “Let’s get back to killing.” A person who heard the conversation told me, “He said, ‘Kill them all.’”

this guy truly is the future of the party

[...] I tried to move the conversation to Trump’s tariffs and other issues before leaving, but it was plainly clear that his mind was elsewhere. His voice was low. He barely bothered to look up. His sentences were clipped. “I feel like there’s been kind of a tone shift here,” I said, trying to catch his eye. “Can you tell me what you’re feeling? What you’re thinking?”

For the first time since I had returned to his office, he looked right at me. “No, everything’s great,” he said, deadpan. “Everything’s great. I don’t know what you’re referencing.”

hell yeah, brother


incredible article


by RT m

The phrase "Stolen Election" has sort of become normalized now, but NC Republicans legitimately stole a State Supreme Court election today. Kinda crazy.Dem won the statewide race by like 700 votes, so the Republican goes to the (GOP dominated) courts and asks to have a bunch of votes thrown out because they were absentee votes that followed established absentee rules instead of

So kinda crazy update here:

Case goes to the NCSupreme Court and they basically issue a half-measure ruling that says "Some votes will have to count, others might not unless they correct their issues in X days" which likely hands the Republican the win, but less clearly than was expected.

Yesterday a US District judge, whom Trump appointed, ruled that:

“You establish the rules before the game,” he wrote. “You don’t change them after the game is done.”

and found for the Democrat, Riggs. Today, The Rupublican conceded, which is probably the most unexpected part of this.


Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was meeting last week with representatives from a teachers union in his home state when things quickly devolved.

Before long, Fetterman began repeating himself, shouting and questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do” and slamming his hands on a desk, according to one person who was briefed on what occurred.

I dont think this man is well

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