WSOP Rules Change!!!
Rule Changes: World Series Of Poker Bans Electronic Devices, RTA - Poker News https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/29...
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It will be interesting to see how they plan to enforce those rules.
Poker needs to become more like Balatro to make solvers impossible
Does anyone have a link to the actual rule and its specific wording.
"preventative measures including not allowing players to place cell phones or electronic devices on the table or rail." It notes electronic devices will be banned the last 3 tables but does not seem to specifically ban say texting until then. Curious how this in going to work in practice.
Does anyone have a link to the actual rule and its specific wording.
"preventative measures including not allowing players to place cell phones or electronic devices on the table or rail." It notes electronic devices will be banned the last 3 tables but does not seem to specifically ban say texting until then. Curious how this in going to work in practice.
It’s not from WSOP , but from Poker.Org.
Rule 63b reads:
Electronic Assistance and Coaching: Players and spectators are not allowed to use charts, apps, or any other form of electronic assistance in the tournament room. Failure to adhere to this policy will result in a penalty up to disqualification for the player and removal from the tournament room for the spectator. Spectators are also prohibited from providing live assistance or coaching. Failure to adhere to this rule will result in a penalty for the player and removal from the rail for the spectator. Non-players on the rail must adhere to the **WSOP Terms & Conditions, including no viewing of live streams on an electronic device.
Furthermore, the use of electronic devices - both at the tables and on the rail - will be banned when any WSOP event reaches its final three tables. This also includes viewing the delayed live-stream, as described in Rule 63c:
Device Removal During Streaming Events: When a tournament reaches three (3) tables, all players’ electronic devices will be removed. Players will only be allowed to have their devices back during player breaks or after elimination. No devices will be allowed to be used on the tournament rail during these late stages of streamed events and no coaching from the rail will be allowed this includes viewing of the tournament stream and usage of any electronic assistance. Failure to adhere to this rule will result in a penalty for the player and removal from the rail for the spectator.
How would they enforce the coaching from the rail rule? Gag and handcuff everyone at the rail? Any time a player talks to the rail they could be getting "coached".
What about people coming and going? Someone just walking in to watch might have just seen something on the stream. I could see a rail where 5 guys are constantly coming and going and saying "no rule against it".
Faraday Cage Poker is the new meta.
There's no way they can enforce this.
What if my wife texts me about our children or my mangers have a question? What if I need to keep track of my stocks? What if the 10k+ players need to do the same thing!? Yes once upon a time we didn't have cell phones AND WE LIKED IT! but try explaining that to the younger generations who had an iPad in their cribs. What a sh*t show.
Honestly I don't think Tomayo was guilty. They were being explicit in their actions and nobody said a f*ckg word. You can not beat or win a tournament from having a coach on the rail telling you what your opponents did a half hour ago just like you couldn't win by hiring the latest and greatest before the FT during the November 9 era. The whole Tomayo thing was and is a big nothing. He won fair and square.
There's no way they can enforce this.
What if my wife texts me about our children or my mangers have a question? What if I need to keep track of my stocks? What if the 10k+ players need to do the same thing!? Yes once upon a time we didn't have cell phones AND WE LIKED IT! but try explaining that to the younger generations who had an iPad in their cribs. What a sh*t show.
Honestly I don't think Tomayo was guilty. They were being explicit in their actions and nobody said a f*ckg word. You can not
Incorrect take. It was blatantly against the rules and WSOP failed to enforce said rules. Coaching is one thing but using solvers in real time is entirely different.
Regardless, let’s not derail this thread with debate as there’s already a long thread in NVG about this.
Otherwise, you’re correct about the enforcing and what a cluster this will be this year. So many pissed off players and spectators. I don’t envy the security team there.
Oh and how will this work with smart glasses? Seems they ushered in this new rule without really working out the logistics.
Sorry dont mean to troll or derail. I actually dont know a lot about the argument except that there was a lot of bitching and whining about it.
I didn't know he was using them "in real time". I know he maybe had an ear piece? Did Tomayo indeed have his rail on the phone while they were feeding him info from the solver? Wat? Was that confirmed? .... sorry for my ignorance but the whole thing is tl;dr...
Anyway, I don't understand how you can work the solver "in real time" in live poker?
No phones while in a hand is the way it is around here. You can have your phone on the rail, check it between hands ... but you can't look at your cards ... then look it up in gto ... then make a play ... etc.
Now let's say I look up a hand I just played ... while not in a hand ... to see if I made the correct play on the previous hand? ... is that illegal? And even so who cares! It's my loss because I am not paying attention to the action and getting tells which is way more important than "hand review studying" at the table lol.
Sorry dont mean to troll or derail. I actually dont know a lot about the argument except that there was a lot of bitching and whining about it.
I didn't know he was using them "in real time". I know he maybe had an ear piece? Did Tomayo indeed have his rail on the phone while they were feeding him info from the solver? Wat? Was that confirmed? .... sorry for my ignorance but the whole thing is tl;dr...
Anyway, I don't understand how you can work the solver "in real time" in live poker?
No phones
Essential cliffs - his rail had a laptop open and were using solvers in real time. Debate about whether or not they were feeding him info through the earpiece but he would, at a minimum, go to the rail and read the solver outputs after key hands.
Coaching and crunching numbers during breaks or whatever is one thing but what they were doing was blatantly against the tournament rules.
To be fair, a lot of the blame is on WSOP for not enforcing their own rules and allowing it to happen. Guess they thought it would be a bad look for them to put a stop to it in the middle of the ME FT.
Essential cliffs - his rail had a laptop open and were using solvers in real time. Debate about whether or not they were feeding him info through the earpiece but he would, at a minimum, go to the rail and read the solver outputs after key hands.
Coaching and crunching numbers during breaks or whatever is one thing but what they were doing was blatantly against the tournament rules.
To be fair, a lot of the blame is on WSOP for not enforcing their own rules and allowing it to happen. Guess they th
Anyway it was not a fair deal to players who are not getting feed or know the solver program ( For example Me ).
Hopefully WSOP force the rule this year !
There's no way they can enforce this.
What if my wife texts me about our children or my mangers have a question? What if I need to keep track of my stocks? What if the 10k+ players need to do the same thing!? Yes once upon a time we didn't have cell phones AND WE LIKED IT! but try explaining that to the younger generations who had an iPad in their cribs. What a sh*t show.
They can easily enforce it, as the new rule states that electronic devices won't be allowed at all at the final 3 tables. It won't apply to 10k+ players, it'll be a max of 27 per tournament. If you're fortunate enough to be there, they're going to take your phone when they get down to 3 tables, and give it back when you bust or go on a break. That or they'll put your phone in one of those lockable bags and unlock it for you when you leave the table. Either way, not too complicated to implement at that small a scale.
As for Tamayo, I was definitely on the side that it seemed to be in clear violation of existing rules. I don't know how much of an advantage he achieved through it, but it seems silly to suggest it didn't help at all - why else was he doing it? I doubt he'd have lost without the help, but it definitely didn't look good, so I'm not surprised they added some new rules to ensure it doesn't happen again.
I do wonder just how bad things could get as technology advances. I can easily imagine a time where you could wear smart glasses with AI that can recognize your hand, the table cards, and the other cards and chips on the table and present a real-time solver chart to you. Yikes.
I do wonder just how bad things could get as technology advances. I can easily imagine a time where you could wear smart glasses with AI that can recognize your hand, the table cards, and the other cards and chips on the table and present a real-time solver chart to you. Yikes.
Same with playing online. I don't miss online poker at this point. With current technology they could make something that could look at your screen with a camera and do the same. It would be undetectable because it would be on a completely different computer.
As many have stated on the forums, the closer the game gets to chess, from the aura of the events, the psychology of the players, the idea of maximization of every edge using memory of tables/charts…..the faster it will lose appeal for large numbers.
I understand there has been a post covid spike but it will plateau then decrease.
I also agree with the rules, I would love for regulations against electronics so dealers don’t have to make people pay attention.
They can easily enforce it, as the new rule states that electronic devices won't be allowed at all at the final 3 tables. It won't apply to 10k+ players, it'll be a max of 27 per tournament. If you're fortunate enough to be there, they're going to take your phone when they get down to 3 tables, and give it back when you bust or go on a break. That or they'll put your phone in one of those lockable bags and unlock it for you when you leave the table. Either way, not too complicated to implement a
I had no idea they could do this. Wow
I do wonder just how bad things could get as technology advances. I can easily imagine a time where you could wear smart glasses with AI that can recognize your hand, the table cards, and the other cards and chips on the table and present a real-time solver chart to you. Yikes.
RFiD glasses!
Guess it's a good thing Tony Stark doesn't play poker
The cell phone does not need to communicate to perform assistance functions.
It doesn't matter if there's a jammer. If there's wifi and I suspect there is I can make calls and send messages.
This is so ridiculous.
All they have to do is turn off the wifi or set up a wifi jammer. If it uses radio waves it can be jammed.
Sure, a solver can be run on a device without communication, but any player actions in the game can be blocked.
There's no way they can enforce this.
What if my wife texts me about our children or my mangers have a question? What if I need to keep track of my stocks? What if the 10k+ players need to do the same thing!? Yes once upon a time we didn't have cell phones AND WE LIKED IT! but try explaining that to the younger generations who had an iPad in their cribs. What a sh*t show.
Honestly I don't think Tomayo was guilty. They were being explicit in their actions and nobody said a f*ckg word. You can not
Local casino rule: no phone use while in a hand. Shouldn't that be sufficient?
