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What does it mean when someone checks in a range bet spot?
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($51.28) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 37.8% | Flop Agg: 39.9% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | River Agg: 42% | 3Bet: 10.6% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 142624]
SB ($24.30) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 33.5% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 30.3% | River Agg: 29.5% | 3Bet: 9.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 51.4% | 4Bet: 16.2% | Hands: 1310]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 24.3% | PFR: 19.8% | AGG: 36.7% | Hands: 409]
CO ($40.70) [VPIP: 18.9% | PFR: 15.3% | AGG: 27.2% | Hands: 1454]
Dealt to Hero: 3♠ 3♣
CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Raises To $2.75, BB Folds, HERO Calls $2.15
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.75 effective]
Flop ($5.75): Q♦ A♠ T♦
SB Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($5.75): Q♦ A♠ T♦ 3♥
SB Bets $4.65 (Rem. Stack: $16.90), HERO Calls $4.65 (Rem. Stack: $43.88)
River ($15.05): Q♦ A♠ T♦ 3♥ 8♦
SB Bets $16.90 (allin), HERO ?
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If you don't know why this is a triple barrel, watch this video.
Hello DDP, I have started watching your channel, finished video 1 so far and just started video 2.
I will post questions in this thread.
At some point in video 1 a guy 3bet SB vs your MP or maybe CO open but i think you were MP, from 2bb to 7.68, and you said the sizing is bad because he is 3betting linear value so he needs to go bigger. I don't understand though, if he was the BB he would be 3betting polar though but don't SB and BB 3bet to the same size? So i don't understand your point.
Edit: also, if the reason for a bigger 3b is linear value, why doesn't BU 3b as big as SB?
For my second question, it's for the first hand of your 2nd video.
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You have KK in MP, iso a limp, get flatted by CO and BU, and the limper overcalls. Flop is Q83r but you cbet 1/4. Why are you cbetting small instead of going for fat value like 3/4 when the fish players won't fold any pair or gutter? And once BU and UTG call your cbet, then you check turn, why? Why not triple 3/4 ott 3/4 otr and have them station down any Qx?
Thanks!!
Hello DDP, I have started watching your channel, finished video 1 so far and just started video 2.
I will post questions in this thread.
At some point in video 1 a guy 3bet SB vs your MP or maybe CO open but i think you were MP, from 2bb to 7.68, and you said the sizing is bad because he is 3betting
Thanks for checking out the channel.
So in the Small Blind you theoretically 3bet smaller than in the Big Blind because the Small Blind is linear but the BB is polarized.
You will notice a solver mostly call with the middling hands like 88/A9s. Why is this? Because those hand types would prefer a smaller 3bet sizing but if we only give it a bigger 3bet sizing it will prefer calling. That's why I said a hand like 88 would go smaller if we gave a solver multiple 3bet sizings.
For the second hand I am using my fish strategy which is why I go small OTF. Contrary to what a lot of people think. Fish overfold flops when compared to GTO vs cbets as IP PFC for SRP.
Here is the data
I'm using a bet small strategy because I know they probably missed the flop and are weak. If they call flop they will re-open the action OTT 15%-20% more than GTO so I always check turn to them and let them bluff in the C-B-B line.
Here you can see how often they bet turn after checking flop so you want to check turn with value in this spot.
Thanks for the questions.
Your post makes me wonder some things in response:
First of all in the first mda stats picture does f30 mean the times the IP guy folds to a 30% bet? And R30 means the times they raise a 30% bet?
Okay now... are the fish actually overfolding correct continues vs cbets as you say, or are they flatting a bunch of shit pre and then they fold all of the shit but still continue the gto continues but then the data says "they're overfolding" but actually all of their preflop trash calls clicking fold on flop like 1 million A2o and K9o combos skew the data towards seeming like they're overfolding? Edit: in this part I meant otf vs the cbet.
Now once we get to turn, ok sure you have a solid argument for a x when they massively overstab, but what about when they stab turn and xback river with a Qx, when they would have stationed two 3/4 bets ott + otr? Are you going to x/c turn and donk river to make up for that?
^ And that's if we were HU, but it's 3way ott, so the IP fish will stab less air and also less Qx, which makes your x less preferable than what it appears to be based on the mda data, and then also if you barrel 3/4 ott you can often get outcomes where one or both of them station turn way too wide, and then if you barrel turn now you can get into a big pot spot otr where they can both make the same stationing mistake yet again.
So i think turn barreling 3/4 is way superior to checking ott since it's 3way. I also think if we somehow knew the IP fish will overstab at your mda frequencies despite this being 3way, that then x/c ott and donking river is really cool too and maybe even better than a 3/4 turn barrel, cuz if you start turn with a x, and IP fish stabs, OOP fish can now way overcall even more easily, and also potentially x/c loads vs your river donk because your line is odd. But i think i'd settle on a 3/4 barrel because we ensure that we stick in a fat sized valuebet and put them both in a spot where they can way overcall.
What do you think??
Your post makes me wonder some things in response:
First of all in the first mda stats picture does f30 mean the times the IP guy folds to a 30% bet? And R30 means the times they raise a 30% bet?
Okay now... are the fish actually overfolding correct continues vs cbets as you say, or are they flatting
All good questions. I'll break them up to make it easier.
Your post makes me wonder some things in response:
First of all in the first mda stats picture does f30 mean the times the IP guy folds to a 30% bet? And R30 means the times they raise a 30% bet?
Yeah that is exactly what it means.
Okay now... are the fish actually overfolding correct continues vs cbets as you say, or are they flatting a bunch of **** pre and then they fold all of the **** but still continue the gto continues but then the data says "they're overfolding" but actually all of their preflop trash calls clicking fo
Yeah so in the data the average fish has an over 32% VPIP. That's the reason they overfold flop to cbets even though they call too much in general.
Here is the aggregate data for all fish.
Now once we get to turn, ok sure you have a solid argument for a x when they massively overstab, but what about when they stab turn and xback river with a Qx, when they would have stationed two 3/4 bets ott + otr? Are you going to x/c turn and donk river to make up for that?
^ And that's if we were H
The fish strategy used by checking turn is just a generic fish strategy. There are different types of fish. You're right that if the fish is passive then we definitely lose value with Qx. The problem is we don't know because we don't have enough sample size on the fish. We know most fish overstab turn and overfold to bigger turn barrels so we check as a default. But that's not to say that betting can't be better vs certain archetypes.
Most fish get stacked and lose their money before we can get proper samples on them to know if they are overly passive and should instead use your strategy of betting turn instead of checking.
A good heuristic is to check more OTT vs higher VPIP's since they will have more air. The more they VPIP the more the lose wrt to BB/100.
WRT to donking vs fish. You want to donk as a bluff and not for value on most run outs. The only runout where fish don't overfold vs a donk is on board pairing rivers.
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As far as what you said in the above post, it seems reasonable, though from what I've seen I think I'd go with my 3/4 barrel because I play under 25nl and it seems to me like the fish I play just keep calling hard.
I still think you'd want to donk otr on a brick in this one though, if you x/c ott here, because I don't see people betting enough Qx again otr combined with barreling air enough to make the river x/c super great, but I do think there's quite a bit of Qx in there that will always call a 3/4 donk but xback if we x otr, even though like I said I think the IP fish will be stabbing the Qx less in the 3way spot than he would if it were HU. Though now that I said that I guess the rare times the IP fish decides to raise air and gets us to fold makes the donk a bit worse. but on that Q8X8 there are still quite a lot of QXo so I'd go for the donk. Assuming I think to consider it in game.
