“I folded the naked ace and top two”
Hi all,
Playing plo, the flop and turn have been dealt and there is a $100 bet from a bad reg and a raise all in by a first timer noob rec to $295, on J742ccc, and while the bettor tanks a pro reg sitting to the bettor’s immediate right whispers to her bf also pro playing “I folded the naked A and top two,” loud enough for everyone on that side of the table to hear it, including the reg facing the all in bet.
She quickly says sorry I thought they were all in. The rec gets called a few seconds later and the bad reg wins with a Q-high flush against the rec’s 9-high flush. The noob rec is exasperated and calls the floor. What should happen?
Thanks,
DT
They get a warning.
Several month ban assuming no option to make player whole.
Off with her head.
We can't unring the bell, and the pro reg seems apologetic for what seems to be her honest mistake. Warn and move on.
Unless you can prove it wasn't collusion it should be treated as such for the talker.
How do you prove something wasn't collusion?
It's tough. That's why the few months ban is likely.
I'd treat it closer to reaching over and turning over another players cards mid hand than nothing, but most people seem to want to think it's nothing.
So whatever you'd do in that situation but not quite as bad.
Wait, are you serious with that ban talk?
The situation here might be a tiny bit more severe because we're talking about a reg and a very specific description of the hand but stuff like that happens all the time and I've never seen anyone getting banned for it.
Would get pretty lonely in the poker room if they banned everyone who open folded because they thought the hand is over or super obviously showed that the river would have brought them straight or flush if they didn't fold earlier.
Doing it while one player is facing an all in bet is bad enough to give them the boot for the day, even for a first offense. If a repeat offender, then indefinite ban.
Wait, are you serious with that ban talk?
The situation here might be a tiny bit more severe because we're talking about a reg and a very specific description of the hand but stuff like that happens all the time and I've never seen anyone getting banned for it.
Would get pretty lonely in the poker room if they banned everyone who open folded because they thought the hand is over or super obviously showed that the river would have brought them straight or flush if they didn't fold earlier.
Those aren't the same really.
Ideal solution is have them pay the money lost so like 600ish but don't think they can do that.
If the rules weren't so lax about it people wouldn't do it so often.
We all make mistakes. Seems like an honest one. Doesn't matter that they are BF/GF -- they could have just known each other or played together for a while and it could have happened. A warning should suffice.
I am so confused by your line of thinking and need to start somewhere. Here, are you saying that showing your folded cards while under the impression that the hand is over is fundamentally different from saying what you folded while under the impression that the hand is over?
Showing your cards before the hand is over is bad, depends on action a bit, if she showed the ace blocker then it would be very bad. I may have misunderstood madlex. Can't speak to every spot.
Telling someone on the river a key card is missing with action pending in an asymmetric information spot is about as bad as it gets. Either she pays 600 or banned for a long time.
Warning is like doing nothing.
Showing your cards before the hand is over is bad, depends on action a bit, if she showed the ace blocker then it would be very bad. I may have misunderstood madlex. Can't speak to every spot.
Telling someone on the river a key card is missing with action pending in an asymmetric information spot is about as bad as it gets. Either she pays 600 or banned for a long time.
Warning is like doing nothing.
There's no legal authority to enforce a $600 payout, but warning is too lax.
The warning is a one-day ban, and if it happens again banned for life.
Those aren't the same really.
Ideal solution is have them pay the money lost so like 600ish but don't think they can do that.
If the rules weren't so lax about it people wouldn't do it so often.
Players don't do it because the rules are lax, they talk about their hands because poker is a social game and people have regret syndrome.
If talking about what they folded was handled as drastically as you are advocating, the room would be empty and few new players would continue to play after they were banned once for what they thought was friendly, social behavior.
It is wrong and players should be taught/warned, but you are going overbiard.
Not talking about what cards you folded before the hand is over is a pretty low bar, but most in here think it is supposed to be even lower.
Not talking about what cards you folded before the hand is over is a pretty low bar, but most in here think it is supposed to be even lower.
People make mistakes. There's no indication it wasn't an honest mistake that she felt bad about.
Pretty sure all of us have seen blatant OPTAH violations over the years. Does anyone remember seeing a player getting a ban for it unless there was (accusations of) collusion involved?
I’ve been banned for life for less. I stand by my statement. Off with her head.
