$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.

I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.

I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.

My expectation for each limit is as follows:

Expected Winrates for each limit:

5NL: 30bb/100

10NL: 25bb/100

25NL: 20bb/100

50NL: 15bb/100

100NL: 12bb/100

200NL: 10bb/100

Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.

There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.

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by DooDooPoker k

Okay this concept will print you money once you understand it. This is very subtle but we have MDA to back up our conclusions.

Like everything in poker, it's all about nuance. A slight change in a board runout can mean the difference between a river call and a river fold.

I'm going to focus on the paired river vs paired turn specifically for this spot.

Let's look at two boards that look similar but are vastly different:

8:7:27:3:

8:7:23:7:

Most people won't give much thought to these two runouts b

Is folding turn too nitty in your opinion? I might find the river call here but not the turn. I feel like the K is such a strong card for the 3bettor that I always nit up on K hi boards


by bigdave2304 k

Is folding turn too nitty in your opinion? I might find the river call here but not the turn. I feel like the K is such a strong card for the 3bettor that I always nit up on K hi boards

Turn is 0EV in a solver but we will play rivers better than our opponent so we call. If you want to get even more granular you can realize that population is under double barreling turn which means they are overly polarized OTT when they do bet here. If they barreled like a solver they would be more merged.

For instance, if a solver cbets flop it 100% bets turn with it's entire range on a King turn. Population doesn't realize this and will X back 77-QQ too often which makes his double barrel range more polarized (and in this case weaker) which incentivizes us to call.


This is why we play GTO OTF vs Regs/Fish. You don't just mindlessly bet your overpair.

Turn sizing is a huge tell that he is weak and Fish overbet bluff this line.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.40) [VPIP: 29.2% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.6% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.2% | 4Bet: 13.9% | Hands: 336536]
SB ($5.14) [VPIP: 16% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 25]
BB ($2.42) [VPIP: 27.3% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 35]
UTG ($10.40) [VPIP: 54.5% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 30% | Hands: 34]
HJ ($6.09) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 8.8% | AGG: 23.1% | Hands: 34]
CO ($6.04) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 40.6% | AGG: 27.3% | Flop Agg: 11.1% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 10% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 33]

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

UTG Calls $0.05, HJ Calls $0.05, CO Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $0.68, SB Folds, BB Folds, UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Calls $0.43

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.08 effective]
Flop ($1.53): 6 4 2
CO Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($1.53): 6 4 2 2
CO Bets $0.48 (Rem. Stack: $4.88), HERO Calls $0.48 (Rem. Stack: $4.24)

River ($2.49): 6 4 2 2 2
CO Bets $4.88 (allin), HERO Calls $4.24 (allin)

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CO shows: T K

HERO wins: $10.43


by DooDooPoker k

This is why we play GTO OTF vs Regs/Fish. You don't just mindlessly bet your overpair.

Turn sizing is a huge tell that he is weak and Fish overbet bluff this line.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.40) [VPIP: 29.2% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.6% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.2% | 4Bet: 13.9% | Hands: 336536]
SB ($5.14) [VPIP: 16% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 25]

every single hand you post is just cherrypicking. At least 50% of your posted hands are played unbelievable bad und you were just lucky.
Suddenly we should play GTO vs fish - such a bulls…
In this hand we bet/bet/bet as fishes call down way too much.

Ridiculous the whole thread


by Kendoo k

every single hand you post is just cherrypicking. At least 50% of your posted hands are played unbelievable bad und you were just lucky.
Suddenly we should play GTO vs fish - such a bulls…
In this hand we bet/bet/bet as fishes call down way too much.

Ridiculous the whole thread



by PappePoker k

That's a real challenge mate.
I wish you al the luck.

I did it at better rate then he wants to win at. So it is realistic if he has no leaks in his game.


by TripleBerryJam k

Smh my head what a fish. Everyone knows you barrel all your good draws, keep raising with combo draws, and XF most of your air

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GL!

Hes a verified coach? There is no way hes an actual coach.


by DooDooPoker k

Sunday Funday. This is a spot where you will sometimes value own yourself but doing anything other than jamming river is leaving EV on the table. The good thing about jamming that a solver will fail to assess correctly is the fishes value range is much wider than it should be.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($8.31)

8bb win rate is crushing over the long term. Not many people can do it. If you are over 8bb win rate you are top of the food chain player at whatever limit you are playing at. There is no way you are a coach. If you are those people deserve a refund. You can definitely have 30bb win rate is stretches but you can't sustain long term. You can do it for a few months but the variance will bring your win rate down at some point. Nobody beats variance forever. I have months of nothing 1 outter, 2 outter type situations, coolers where set over set just non stop to the point you feel sick. Those downswings will come at some point. You wont know what your win rate really is until you play around 1m hands at a given limit. And every year you should also take off .25bb off your win rate to factor the player pool getting better. The players don't get worse they continue to get tougher every year. Right now from going through your hands you question you will be lucky to break even until you improve your post flop play.


it's always hilarious reading microstakes threads because everyone talks so much shat and everyone thinks they are so good and yet it's a bunch of microstakes people arguing

it's hilarious because you don't get kids on the jv basketball team getting in huge arguments over how great they are or how someone else sucks how he just gets lucky hitting 3s etc

honestly this mindset is going to keep you guys at the micro levels, you're too focused on negging on others to make yourself feel better about your own inadequacies instead of spending that time and energy to get better

you don't see this behaviour out of high stakes players ever, they disagree with each other's plays just as often, but they feel no need to spend their time pointing it out every day - they just make a mental note that's how that person plays and consider how they will adjust to be better

i don't know enough about doodoo or his past to make any judgements on his skills in poker or his qualities as a person, but the daily insults brought here is just lol

at least don't make it an empty insult - drive it forward in discussion - don't say "omg you suck you fraud" instead point out specifics that highlight it

but i think best solution is you all throw $100 into the pot and we get an old fashioned hu4rollz and settle it


by Zamadhi k

I'd say 8bb/100 qualifies as crushing, especially if you put in a lot of volume.

At PS NL200, over the past two years, only one reg has a winrate of >8bb/100 over more than 200k hands.

Same at NL100.

There is no way this guy is a coach haha. Anyone who thinks 8bb is not crushing the games must be mtt player who is just learning cash games is only thing I can think of. But it just goes to show mtt players in general are complete donks.


by rickroll k

it's always hilarious reading microstakes threads because everyone talks so much shat and everyone thinks they are so good and yet it's a bunch of microstakes people arguing

it's hilarious because you don't get kids on the jv basketball team getting in huge arguments over how great they are or how someone else sucks how he just gets lucky hitting 3s etc

honestly this mindset is going to keep you guys at the micro levels, you're too focused on negging on others to make yourself feel better about yo

I have played more hands then anyone ever in 6 max cash games online since pre black friday never having a losing year and rarely a losing month. I am pretty sure I am more then qualified to say this coach should not be a coach. Any decent player who grinds cash games definitely know this guy has no clue what he is talking about. So what does that make you? Welcome to his party. Remember when they had poker table ratings? I ranked on the top 10 for heads up and 6 max year after year. Some months I was ranked number 1. I am pretty sure I am more then qualified to say he doesn't know what he is talking about. And we all know you are not qualified to give any advice period.


by rickroll k

but i think best solution is you all throw $100 into the pot and we get an old fashioned hu4rollz and settle it

Tbh. OP should just do a prop bet. A minimum of 8.8bb/100 over 800k hands at 200nl. You can pick any odds and I'm sure you'll get plenty of action.

[VPIP: 50% | PFR: 40.6% |Hands: 33]

Fish overbet bluff this line

11/11 over 35 hands is not a nit but 50/40 over 33 hands is a fish.


I was debating on whether or not I should clean this thread up but the trolls are just way too entertaining so they can stay.

Shout out to all the trolls in the thread. You guys are too funny.

10k hand update coming soon!

Stay tuned.


by iburydoscocaroaches k

I have played more hands then anyone ever in 6 max cash games online since pre black friday never having a losing year and rarely a losing month. I am pretty sure I am more then qualified to say this coach should not be a coach. Any decent player who grinds cash games definitely know this guy has no clue what he is talking about. So what does that make you? Welcome to his party. Remember when they had poker table ratings? I ranked on the top 10 for heads up and 6 max year after year. Some months

Are you still playing these days? What site and stakes if you don't mind sharing just curious. Pretty sick accomplishment to be top 10 that long in both formats.


by InfiniteLand23456 k

Tbh. OP should just do a prop bet. A minimum of 8.8bb/100 over 800k hands at 200nl. You can pick any odds and I'm sure you'll get plenty of action.

I do like the idea of a prop bet. Would be entertaining for sure.


by iburydoscocaroaches k

but the variance will bring your win rate down at some point. Nobody beats variance forever.

Nobody...

by iburydoscocaroaches k

I have played more hands then anyone ever in 6 max cash games online since pre black friday never having a losing year and rarely a losing month.

except you, apparently.


by iburydoscocaroaches k

I have played more hands then anyone ever in 6 max cash games online since pre black friday never having a losing year and rarely a losing month. I am pretty sure I am more then qualified to say this coach should not be a coach. Any decent player who grinds cash games definitely know this guy has no clue what he is talking about. So what does that make you? Welcome to his party. Remember when they had poker table ratings? I ranked on the top 10 for heads up and 6 max year after year. Some months

You sound very jealous. Is it because you never completed your own BR challenge?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/174/p...


by Mr Spyutastic k

I do like the idea of a prop bet. Would be entertaining for sure.

He could ask for any odds and he’d get action. He wont though cause he’ll never achieve 8bb/100+ over 800k hands.


by iburydoscocaroaches k

I have played more hands then anyone ever in 6 max cash games online since pre black friday never having a losing year and rarely a losing month. I am pretty sure I am more then qualified to say this coach should not be a coach. Any decent player who grinds cash games definitely know this guy has no clue what he is talking about. So what does that make you? Welcome to his party. Remember when they had poker table ratings? I ranked on the top 10 for heads up and 6 max year after year. Some months

sick crusher u are sir, yet everything you posted in almost a decade is just very bad poker advice and claims, claims, claims - never any proof. but keep larping, it's 2/10 entertaining at least.


Graphs are probably faked. Deleting some losing sessions to have a great graph. Why else should it take 1week+ to have 5k hands in the graph?


by DooDooPoker k

I was debating on whether or not I should clean this thread up but the trolls are just way too entertaining so they can stay.

Shout out to all the trolls in the thread. You guys are too funny.

10k hand update coming soon!

Stay tuned.

Even thinking about deleting opinions from other people you dont like shows what kind of person you are


by Kendoo k

Graphs are probably faked. Deleting some losing sessions to have a great graph. Why else should it take 1week+ to have 5k hands in the graph?

Why do you hate DooDooPoker so much? Did you guys ever have a heated argument on the cash forum or theory and is this an ego thing? Are you linked to any of the former stables OP played on? Are you that guy who had a very winning redline high winrate graph who claimed it was all due to hud-based exploitation, and was OP the one who exposed you as a fraud and got the PBG thread removed? Just trying to understand the hidden agendas going on ITT.


by Kendoo k

Graphs are probably faked. Deleting some losing sessions to have a great graph. Why else should it take 1week+ to have 5k hands in the graph?

No joke. I was thinking this too but a bit too extreme of an allegation to just throw out there. But given his history I wouldn't trust anything he posts.

by ViktorKaBloooom k

Why do you hate DooDooPoker so much? Did you guys ever have a heated argument on the cash forum or theory and is this an ego thing? Are you linked to any of the former stables OP played on? Are you that guy who had a very winning redline high winrate graph who claimed it was all due to hud-based exploitation, and was OP the one who exposed you as a fraud and got the PBG thread removed? Just trying to understand the hidden agendas going on ITT.

Confirmed scammer who is somehow a verified coach that just passes down information he gathered from other stables as his own. He only ended up admitting to it because someone called him out on it and went the ''I would've told you'' route. Yeah right.

With that being said. If you don't see how his view on a player having 8.8bb/100 over 900k hands at 200nl being ''skewed towards mediocrity'' is beyond stupid, you're clearly a moron too.


This hand was super spicy and interesting. I almost folded but didn't, do you see why?

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.63) [VPIP: 29.2% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.4% | 4Bet: 13.9% | Hands: 337111]
CO ($7.07) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 27% | AGG: 87.5% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 26.3% | Fold to 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 37]
BTN ($4.63) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 15]
SB ($4.75) [VPIP: 18.9% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 37]
BB ($5.95) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 27.8% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 36]
UTG ($3.74) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 19% | Hands: 37]

Dealt to Hero: 9 8

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.10, CO Raises To $0.35, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.86 effective]
Flop ($0.77): 9 T K
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.25 (Rem. Stack: $6.47), HERO Calls $0.25 (Rem. Stack: $5.03)

Turn ($1.27): 9 T K 9
HERO Bets $0.40 (Rem. Stack: $4.63), CO Raises To $1.40 (Rem. Stack: $5.07), HERO Calls $1 (Rem. Stack: $3.63)

River ($4.07): 9 T K 9 A
HERO Checks, CO Bets $5.07 (allin), HERO Calls $3.63 (allin)

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CO shows: Q Q

HERO wins: $10.77


I'm on a meme kick right now.


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