English Premier League 2023-24 Thread

Then you don't understand the rivalry nor have you ever been in a similar situation.

I understand winning mentality. A club with a winning mentality does better in the long run. A club with a winning mentality sends the goalie on the 94th minute to attack a corner to keep their CL hopes alive.

I dont see these things as linked to what happened on Tuesday, considering we actually played well (and before you were talking about the fans, now the team, but you also just said Postecoglu cared and it would have been his decision.... so which is it?).

Also you think sending the keeper up when we were 2-0 down 4 mins into 6 of injury time would have any effect at all on our CL hopes when we needed to outright win?

Liverpool rivalries aren't anywhere remotely close to as deep or meaningful as the NLD, but I'd wager a *lot* that if the situation were the exact same but with Everton (or Man Utd, but less so given theyve won more recently) then Liverpool fans would also be nonplussed at a loss in the same situation.

If there was something actually really meaningful at stake (like it meaning we are literally winning the FA Cup) and not simply a ~30% chance at an upgrade from the EL to CL for one single season then you might have a point.

Received, finally beat tp in a bet!

I'd agree with your general observation about their useless loser fans, but I'd gladly give up a year in the CL if it prevented those turds from winning a PL.

What marks them out as being especially looserish is that they were actually cheering when they lost.

With apologies to Gram who seems like a decent sort not at all like the ones I know and have known.

How can any fan celebrate their team losing? I might think it was for the best if it prevented a far greater evil, but nfw am I ever celebrating it.

My main take from the last two seasons I dunno how Liverpool fans dealt with the impending doom of knowing you can't make a single mistake when fighting against city.

Arsenal went 16-1-1 and it wasn't enough. City just never got unlucky once on the back half of the season where arsenal had one bad half against villa and got punished to the absolute max.

Sick for city to not win a single game vs pool/arse and still win the title.

City beat all the teams they were supposed to beat.

We got 1 point vs Fulham, that's the title right there.

Still pretty proud of this team. If you lined up Arsenal's squad against City's, most neutrals would say that City have the better players at almost every position, plus the better manager. Yet Arsenal fought them until the final matchday. In Arteta we trust.

Team with the better players in almost every position only wins by two points, and that after many dubious VAR decisions go their way. Sounds like there's not much separating the managers.

Yeah, if only "the fans" hadn't given up on CL football, we'd have finished top 4...

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I get why fans around the world didn't want Spurs to lose. However, if you live and work in London, especially North London, losing 1 game>>>having to listen to the other set of fans crowing for a year.

Fandom is weird and stupid and you don't really have the right to tell people how they should fan, so I cant really get all that worked up about spuds fans wanting their team to lose.

If players/staff wanted to lose though that's some pretty big WIL **** imo. If youre in anges spot and want to change the thats so spursy perception of the club can't be having that sort of attitude within the club regardless of rivalry.

Don't think there are many players who are spurs fans though. Ange certainly isn't. They are there to do a job and I doubt any of them give a **** about Arsenal winning the league, and that's absolutely the right attitude as an employee.

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Just a quick note that our Community Experience Shield was won by falconhoof. Congrats mate.

Much like City he takes the title back to back just edging out DuckSauce's Arsenal by just a couple of points. Thanks for making me relive yesterday.

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On a sidenote I think I have settled all my bets. Gg this season lads - I was a perfect donator to the community experience with distributing lots of money and taking none.lol

if spuds had won the league for arse it would slot into the wimbledon fa cup/1999 treble/invincibles/istanbul category. you'd have been hearing about it for the rest of your life.

winning that game would've been an overt act of self harm

Thus it makes the unspursiest moment in the history of spurs. Which is a paradox in itself.

Lego Pep made them self-destruct, the manager question the commitment of everything/everyone and no CL for them.

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Oh lmao Rodri said the difference between Arsenal and City is the mentality. Not that they have 2 squad worth of players that would most likely have 20+ games in any other team.

We have ran godlike with injuries this season. They lost KdB/Rodri for half and did not really feel any of it. They have toyed with Real at their own turn and only got beaten by individual quality on 2 counters.

We need another Rice summer, but this time upfront to have a chance of winning it.

Of course there aren't - no one's heard of Tottenham outside this country, a few Dempsey/Friedel-era fans in the US and some in South Korea.

Received, thx mate

Spurs would be a lot less Spursy if they spent a billion on players this summer.

You had it in your own hands.

If anything, Arsenal went at the Ethiad and parked the bus begging for a 0-0 as if they were Sheffield. Easy to say but getting a draw was ~neutral for their title equity (considering liverpool were still in it at that time) whereas a win would have been a big boost in equity but they never went for it in that game. If I was a spurs fan, i'd be tempted to say "losers mentality"

Nah I think its the mentality mate.

Although he is somewhat right. If you dont do it by any means necessary you dont want it enough.

If we dont breach like 50 ffp rules this summer we are an unserious club.

16-1-1. No loss against a rival. Think if this one game is what it determined what mentality we have then I'll leave it with the experts.

3 years ago banter club that will not get top4 for a while, now loser mentality for going for a draw against City at their turf, never winning the league like this. The trajectory is insane and long may it continue.

I don't think the players wanted to lose, most of them have pretty heavy financial incentives not to (nobody outside of the club knows for sure, but it's heavily suggested that our pay structure is very performance bonus based). Like a) I'm ~100% sure Son is on a goal bonus, b) he's not a Spurs fan, and c) he's a professional so can't see him missing that chance on purpose.

There's been a lot of full Le Tissiering on it.

Wasn’t only a couple of weeks ago when you were moaning that so many people got lucky and got Jackson off the bench?
You captained Saka and had Isak on your bench.

Not quite sure how many girlfriends/parents have left you for Spurs fans that drives you to be like this, but you get your own opinions - you don't get your own facts.

Not that I quite understand why, but the fan groups in the US go *way* beyond "a few Dempsey/Friedel-era fans" (I've lived in 3 US cities, each of which has a Spurs fan club with a ton of "young" members, and NYC now has *3*). I've also watched with fanclubs in ~8 other US cities aside from those three.

I've also watched with groups of Spurs fans in India, Ireland, Australia and Canada (and not all of them from the Stalteri era!), and numerous other fans I know have watched with fan groups all over Asia / Africa.

Arsenal have been the better team for ~85% of my life, that should be enough for you to enjoy.