2p2 data breach/security exploit

2p2 data breach/security exploit

Still not sure where the correct place should be but was recommended to post here:

by Videopro k

If it's pertaining an existing thread, otherwise ATF is the better spot.

Are the moderators going to let the players know about what happened, there could be the possibility then of responsible disclosure rather than just a pure data dump.

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28 June 2024 at 08:59 PM
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Ideal Poker, is also a way of explaining to the poker players the ESOTERIC meaning behind Nash's Ideal Money:

idealMoney{bitcoin}

Which was impossible to explain AT THAT TIME:



by jmitchell42 k

very very victim complex like stuff.

You guys got together behind the scenes, created a rumour I had mental illness, spread that across over a decade and across multiple related community sites.

And then you started blacklisting NOT ONLY MY WORK, but NASHS WORK, and then you started blacklisting KEY PHRASES.

I myself of course knew this, but I didn't have the behind the scene EVIDENCE like I do now. And ur STILL telling my I'm hitting myself.


by jbouton k

You guys got together behind the scenes, created a rumour I had mental illness, spread that across over a decade and across multiple related community sites.

And then you started blacklisting NOT ONLY MY WORK, but NASHS WORK, and then you started blacklisting KEY PHRASES.

I myself of course knew this, but I didn't have the behind the scene EVIDENCE like I do now. And ur STILL telling my I'm hitting myself.

by jmitchell42 k

very very victim complex like stuff.

see.


Whats a covenant?


by jmitchell42 k

see.

Do you believe that MORE rake is better than LESS rake?


I have to post multiple pieces of content at once, and often without good or proper explanation, because I'm always in danger of being banned and having my content removed.


"All the people I try to talk to think I'm crazy so they created a super secret 'button's crazy' clique, with thinking that I'm crazy being the requirement for membership. The only way for new members to get into the clique is for me to talk to them so that they too think I'm crazy."


by d2_e4 k

"All the people I try to talk to think I'm crazy so they created a super secret 'button's crazy' clique, with thinking that I'm crazy being the requirement for membership. The only way for new members to get into the clique is for me to talk to them so that they too think I'm crazy."

I sent information to relevant players who are now watching this thread that proved to THEM that THEY were also being targeted by a concerted effort between certain posters and certain moderators.


by jbouton k

I sent information to relevant players who are now watching this thread that proved to THEM that THEY were also being targeted by a concerted effort between certain posters and certain moderators.

How does that work with this, when the new owners declare this?


That wasn't said to the players, its not fake...its real...it was said from the new guard to the old.


How hard does everyone think it would be to get an idea to the players that fixes the game. That ends the cheating. When 2p2 is colluding with the sites and using dummy accounts as moderation targeting?

Mason Malmuth (@MasonMalmuth) on X
More Rake is Better. Here's a link to my Publisher's Note for the July issue of our
Two Plus Two Poker Strategy Magazine where I give some statistics from this year's WSOP. https://t.co/q2cCcdECYk We started a discussion thread for this on our forums: https://t.co/kFQBMHOdky


Does everyone understand why I keep doing things like saying 'old guard' and then posting mason quoted saying more rake is better?

Who banned Nash's work from being discussed on a poker forum?



by jbouton k

How does that work with this, when the new owners declare this?

[screenshots of what looks to be private discussions between mods]

That wasn't said to the players, its not fake...its real...it was said from the new guard to the old.

How does what work with what? The "no personal attacks" thing was no secret and widely discussed, I don't know you're acting like you just blew open the Watergate scandal here.

Also, one of these mods is going to come along and perma you for posting screenshots of their private conversations, and you're going to cry about cover ups. I mean, ChicagoRy and ChicagoJoey, how dim do you have to be to think that these two are not working together? They're probably AI snapshots of each other.


by jbouton k

I sent information to relevant players who are now watching this thread that proved to THEM that THEY were also being targeted by a concerted effort between certain posters and certain moderators.

So these players.... they're in the thread with us now?



[QUOTE=Ideal Poker by Soaker Patoshi]So I wish to present the argument that various interest and groups, notably including PSFTFBICIADOJ has sold to the players a “quasi-doctrine” which teaches, in effect, that “less is more” or that (in other words) “raked poker is better than not raked poker”.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Ideal Money by John Nash]So I wish to present the argument that various interests and groups, notably including “Keynesian” economists, have sold to the public a “quasi-doctrine” which teaches, in effect, that “less is more” or that (in other words) “bad money is better than good money”. [/QUOTE]


Bro, I'll let you into a secret. You know what super intelligent world renowned expert in their field pre-eminent communicators don't do? Keep reminding everyone about it.

If you have to constantly tell everyone that you are an amazing communicator... maybe they aren't the problem.


by d2_e4 k

Bro, I'll let you into a secret. You know what super intelligent world renowned expert in their field pre-eminent communicators don't do? Keep reminding everyone about it.

If you have to constantly tell everyone that you are an amazing communicator... maybe they aren't the problem.

No one believes you 😀


The moderation here has corrupted the game and I have proof of it. I am proof. We are proof.

WHO are the corrupters?


by jbouton k

Everyone knows if you lose your reputation on 2p2 you lose it in the poker industry.

This isn't 2008. I doubt this is still true.


How close is Bitcoin to John Nash’s vision of ideal money? Are any other altcoins better money than bitcoin? Is there still a need for a much better type of money?

Poker rake and Money obviously aren’t the same. Money is an asset thats value is derived from faith that it exchanges for goods and services well.
Poker rake is a way to charge for the service of running a poker game. There are services where someone else might charge $100 and I might charge $4000. That is not neccesarily unfair, it is just the price point at which I would be willing to provide the service. And of course it is up to the businessman to decide whether that is a price they want to pay. With lower rake it might not be worth it for some places, including casinos to deal Poker. In that case the regular players and the service provider both miss out.


by Rococo k

This isn't 2008. I doubt this is still true.

I can't really reverse time tho can I? Let me ask...do you believe MORE rake is better than less rake?

[QUOTE=Ideal Poker by Soaker Patoshi]So I see the entire privately raked community as in a weak sense comparable to the “PSFTCIAFBIDOJ " because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency" relating to the functions of poker sites as seen by the players. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of sites operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the player of the raked sites. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of poker revolution might lead to the expectation on the part of players in the “great game types" that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the rake policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to players who may have alternative options for where to place their “deposits"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ideal Moker by John nash]So I see the Keynesians as in a weak sense comparable to the “Bolsheviks” because of the support of both parties for a certain “lack of transparency” relating to the functions of government as seen by the citizenry. And for both of them it can be said that they tend to think in terms of government agencies operating in a benevolent fashion that is, however, beyond the comprehension of the citizens of the state. And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of political evolution might lead to the expectation on the part of citizens in the “great democracies” that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the monetary policies which, indeed, are typically of great importance to citizens who may have alternative options for where to place their “savings”.[/QUOTE]


by jbouton k

I can't really reverse time tho can I?

Nobody can reverse time


by spaceman Bryce k

How close is Bitcoin to John Nash’s vision of ideal money? Are any other altcoins better money than bitcoin? Is there still a need for a much better type of money?

Yes, these are the question I presented to the players, but we weren't allowed discuss them. Nash has a DIFFERENT VIEW of things. His view is hard to explain. And often in our questions we carry hidden assumption that preclude us from understanding Nash's work.

Poker rake and Money obviously aren’t the same. Money is an asset thats value is derived from faith that it exchanges for goods and services well.
Poker rake is a way to charge for the service of running a poker game. There are services where someone else might charge $100 and I might charge $4000. That is not neccesarily unfair, it is just the price point at which I would be willing to provide the service. And of course it is up to the businessman to decide whether that is a price they want to pay. With lower rake it might not be worth it for some places, including casinos to deal Poker. In that case the regular players and the service provider both miss out.

The better comparison, for the world to learn something important, is to think about inflation and how we are told inflation is X but really thats just because they define it with irre-levant prices. If they defined inflation in COMPARISION to a global metric that was OBJECTIVE, then the humans like game theory players...would be able to make RATIONAL CHOICES.


by spaceman Bryce k

Nobody can reverse time

So my poker career was destroyed over the efforts to bury the truth I presented



Its the ultimate end equilibrium, of COMPETITING currencies, is what Nash called "Ideal Money"...its a global stabilization of all the currencies, not a takeover by a single currency...


[QUOTE=Ideal Money by John Nash]So here is the possibility of “asymptotically ideal money”. Starting with the idea of value stabilization in relation to a domestic price index associated with the territory of one state, beyond that there is the natural and logical concept of internationally based value comparisons. The currencies being compared, like now the euro, the dollar, the yen, the pound, the swiss franc, the swedish kronor, etc. can be viewed with critical eyes by their users and by those who may have the option of whether or not or how to use one of them. This can lead to pressure for good quality and consequently for a lessened rate of inflationary depreciation in value.

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But also, and this is what is more significant from an internationally oriented viewpoint, the various currencies would have rates of exchange so that they could be realistically compared in terms of their actual values.[/QUOTE]

We can think of it terms of poker, how if there was such a poker site, run as if on a standard created by the PLAYERS, and IF the players were free to move from site to site, without barriers, this would forced EFFECTIVE RAKE, to the cost of serving the players (plus REASONABLE PROFITS):

[QUOTE=Ideal Poker by Soaker Patoshi] So here is the possibility of “asymptotically ideal (rakeless) poker". Starting with the idea of value stabilization in relation to a domestic ‘deposits raked’ index associated with the territory of one state, beyond that there is the natural and logical concept of internationally based rake comparisons. The sites being compared, like PSFTCIAFBIDOJ, Merge, Party Poker, etc. can be viewed with critical eyes by their players and by those who may have the option of whether or not or how to use one of them. This can lead to pressure for good quality and consequently for a lessened rate of rake

...

But also, and this is what is more significant from an internationally oriented viewpoint, the various rakes would have rates of exchange so that they could be realistically compared in terms of their actual values[/QUOTE]


by jbouton k

So my poker career was destroyed over the efforts to bury the truth I presented

I dont know the trajectory of your poker career. As far as I know, its just starting?


by spaceman Bryce k

I dont know the trajectory of your poker career. As far as I know, its just starting?

Or I was one of the best mttsng players of my time.


I'm nash's top student. I'm the best player in the world. How do we not see this?

Is this not poker to you?

Its because they lied to you about what poker IS.

We are supposed to understand that as poker players we long for the Nash Equilibriums of the game or our decisions. When we have it, it allows us to calculate our deviations even if we don't mean to play it as a strategy. I reference Wil Tipton here:

[QUOTE=Wil Tipton's Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em]For example, in the game of rock-paper-scissors, the GTO strategy is to throw each choice randomly 1/ 3 of the time. Of course, it is hard for humans to be completely random, but insofar as you can, nobody will be able to beat you in RPS in the long term if you play this strategy. However, if you are ever playing a strategy that involves throwing any action with other than a 1/ 3 probability, your opponent can take advantage of you. In fact, he can do very well just by figuring out your most likely throw and using whatever counters it 100% of the time, at least until you notice and change your strategy.

This motivates the primary reason we will focus on GTO play. You have to have some idea of what it looks like before you can even start thinking about what your opponent is doing wrong and implementing a strategy to take advantage of it.[/QUOTE]

Nash wraps the theoretical notion of such a global currency equilibrium into a device he calls an ICPI. We are all, as Nashians, as game theorists, and poker player, supposed to understand the significance of the THEORETICAL nash equilibrium he highlights with Ideal Money/ICPI and I highlight with Poker and Ideal Poker etc.

And we ARE in fact able to draw a parallel from Ideal Money to Ideal Poker which allows us to "port" the concept. This provides a path and some lexicon to discuss a NEW THEORY for poker, while also understanding Nash's work Ideal Money.

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