Dreaded LAG comes over, how did I do?

Well played so far I think. Could go either way on the flop and I think the turn is basically the same. I am comfortable calling a checkraise on the flop but it's a little uglier on the turn, so I would be more inclined to check back that street.

After checking back flop and turn, I think I would call almost any river against this guy.

I think you need to bet this flop. If V is as wide as you say, when you check back flop and turn you're just giving him free cards. And honestly if he check/raises, can we turn our hand into a bluff and ship over the raise?

Overpair and OE otf, this is a must bet, for sure. 1/3 pot probably.

This deep at this type of table I'm way out of my comfort zone.

I just limp in. I want to keep pots as small as possible preflop, especially OOP, and simply play postflop poker as best I can in this environment.

Think I mostly bet smallish on the flop. We protect against random overs plus have enough to call a check/raise. I'd more check back if I wasn't as vulnerable / would have difficulty calling a check/raise.

As played, ditto reasoning on turn.

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Onwards:

Hero checks back turn,

River 80 - 9♥ 8♣ 7♥ 5♠ 6♦

V bets 120, Hero?

V has 460$ back

As Black Flag infamously sung, "Slip it in."

Pot's 200, and V just 1.5x'd it to get it there. I guess JT is in their range?

Though probably just some random T, so why not jam and see if you can blast V off a chop? Guess we should've bet the flop and turn?

Wow interesting river spot. I wouldn't put it past this guy to call with the board to chop if you jam. But he can also have JT and you really can't. No chance he folds a T IMO.

I guess just call facing 1.5x pot?

Here is what an approximation of this spot looks like in GTO Wizard. The solver is clicking it back which makes sense to me.

Hero's line of XB flop and XB turn is solver-approved. Both flop and turn are 50/50 bet small or check, so we have about 25% of TT by the river in this line.

Is JT 3/b pre? And then checking (twice!) on a 2-heart flop? Once, I can see, but twice?? Hero has Th, it's not like V can freeroll us. But banana plays with enough droolers from his HH, who knows?

Thanks for the sim output.

Yeah, I agree it's definitely unlikely. I do think LAG kid who plays bigger 3bets JTs pre, maybe all of the time. I think a lot of players recognize this flop as one that should be checked a lot by the 3bettor. And the prospect of check/raising against an aggressive IP player is there as well. The turn check is a lot less likely, but it's still possible. FWIW GTOWizard does show up with JTs as the BB in this line at a frequency.

So Villain has a small chance of having JT I would say. Whereas I think it would be a pretty bad play for the IP player to checkback even once let alone twice with the flopped nuts this deep. So I would rule JT completely out of Hero's range.

Do we think V will call with worse if we blast it, or are we just turning our hand into a bluff? Hard to tell from the description of V, lots of preflop info, but is he sticky if he gets to the river?

Maybe the solver's clickback is best?

I am late to the party but I was going to suggest clicking it back even before I saw the sim. I think that’s the right line. I am not worried about JT but I want Villain to feel obligated to call playing the board.

FWIW he has JTs in his range all day, JTo is very unlikely. He would open JTo big over a ton of limps from the BTN but wouldn't get out of line with it. He also views me as a tighter winning player and not a station/LP.

Also anyone 4-betting pre? He would be aware of position and with it folding to him he would be much wider here than usual. Not liking getting jammed on but a 4-bet fold maybe? 110?

Yes, this deep you can definitely 4bet/fold.

As played, I would most likely bet flop, and call a c/r in case.

As played flop, checking back turn seems fine, mainly because I'd hate to be check-raised (in my experience, turn c/r are much more value heavy than otf).

On the river, in game I would have been torn between call and shove, but indeed the solver approved click-back looks much better.
By the way, of course V can have JTs, but that's two combos only.

He could certainly check JT otf and ott to reel hero in. When lags start to check they're sometimes trying to be sneaky with a monster. He'd probably bet all his sets on the flop though, and I would think he would at least attempt a bet with Ax.

I wouldn't wanna raise the river but for me it would be a puke call (lol about clicking it back. the bet's 120, min-raise is 240. If we raise and he jams it would truly suck for us. He's only calling with a 10 most likely anyway).

Against this V, think we can 4B to $120 pre, but I don't think it's terrible to just flat call.

The flop is about as good as it gets for our hand, so I think I bet when he checks.

Might check back turn to induce him to bluff river, but I'm probably just barreling off for value and protection.

Definitely raising river. If he's got JT, nice hand, good game. But we double block that hand, and he has so many other hands in his range that will feel obligated to call if we jam in a spot where it looks like we're just trying to push him off a chop.

For sizing, I think we might want to go a little fancy and just min click it, in the hopes he spaz jams the rest. I don't want to jam and make it easy for him to fold.

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Obviously I'm the forum aggrotard, but I think I kinda like a river jam. Seems unlikely this guy would check the nuts (whose combos are greatly reduced thanks to our holdings) on the turn when we've checked back the flop and the board is pretty wet. Otherwise, it kinda looks like we're attempting to get him off the straight-on-board chop with two whiffed high cards.

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What would we have done if river was 6♥ and V overbet?

I'm confused? Is the river a non-flush completing card? And so the Villain comes over the top of our river raise for what little he has left when the absolute best he can do is chop? Lol, good game.

Or did the river actually complete a flush draw? If so, the question seems to be between calling and folding (probably calling as he would have often stabbed the turn once we check back the flop). Raising now seems pretty bad as we're beaten by so much more and much less chance of being paid off by worse.

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The actual river was 6♦, hearts missed

Lol nice little $60 gift there. I guess maybe he expects someone to occasionally fold a bluff there, expecting he always has a T+ and it's never a chop? Doesn't need to happen very often, but still seems like a punt.

On the hypothetical 6h river, I would just call the overbet. Don't think raising makes much sense and obviously we aren't going to fold after checking back flop and turn (and esp. not against this guy).