2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Well I'm not the one making the choices we get--I just call balls and strikes from where I'm sitting.
Which of the Republican candidates for president in the Obama era do you believe would have been "better for brown people across the world?"
Prob any of them. Trump was a dem then right? John McCain wasn’t too fond of bombing civilians was he?
Republicans used to be isolationists until Bush came along
Prob any of them. Trump was a dem then right? John McCain wasn’t too fond of bombing civilians was he?
Republicans used to be isolationists until Bush came along
This isn't really true, seeing as they elected Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes.
People once trusted Republicans to end wars, yes, but Republicans have seen many conflicts while in power that they shy away from.
The funny thing is Republican today complains about the « swamp ».
Yet they gladly voted for George bush senior as a president , u know the guy that was the head of the cia for a brief period in the 1970s (operation condor) ….
Trump admits he lost the last election.
I completely agree - we don’t need another DEFECTIVE person in the White House!
Prob any of them. Trump was a dem then right? John McCain wasn’t too fond of bombing civilians was he?
Republicans used to be isolationists until Bush came along
Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. preceded Obama. I don't know what you mean when you say that Republicans used to be isolationist. I wouldn't describe Reagan or Nixon as particularly isolationist.
I have no reason to believe that McCain's foreign policy would have been less interventionist than Obama's foreign policy.
Donald Trump has flip flopped in record time. He went from voting yes to voting no overtime. Oh but Kamala is a flip flopper because she decided that we shouldn't ban fracking due to it being unnecessary to transition to a green energy policy. Trump on the other hand changed his mind within a day on whether abortion is murder or not.
How can anyone who thinks abortion is murder even consider voting for someone who flip flopped on this issue so recently? This is the type of campaign misstep that would TANK any other campaign. Kamala should be harping both Trump's flip flopping and the extremist position Republicans have on abortion.
Trump seems kind of washed and tired lately. I hope they debate a couple times at least. I'm here for the comedy of it all at this point.
Trump seems kind of washed and tired lately. I hope they debate a couple times at least. I'm here for the comedy of it all at this point.
Trump is low energy and caught up in various dynamics which should each cost him the election, but it's just a toss up yet.
This is how much Harris is worth, running at a coin flip against a convicted felon who is almost 80y old and has a hard time being coherent for more than 5minutes straight.
Most people would be crushing him with insane polls but Harris, uniquely, manages to be at 50% against the worst possible candidate opponents could field, out of shape.
Fully expecting the Ricky Pearsall shooting, if it hasn’t already, to become a right wing talking point about how Kamabla turned SF into a failed state
Donald Trump has flip flopped in record time. He went from voting yes to voting no overtime. Oh but Kamala is a flip flopper because she decided that we shouldn't ban fracking due to it being unnecessary to transition to a green energy policy. Trump on the other hand changed his mind within a day on whether abortion is murder or not.
How can anyone who thinks abortion is murder even consider voting for someone who flip flopped on this issue so recently? This is the type of campaign misstep that w
Yes .
January 6th speech .
Walk peacefully on the Capitol .
30m later -> fight like hell !
Trump is low energy and caught up in various dynamics which should each cost him the election, but it's just a toss up yet.
This is how much Harris is worth, running at a coin flip against a convicted felon who is almost 80y old and has a hard time being coherent for more than 5minutes straight.
Most people would be crushing him with insane polls but Harris, uniquely, manages to be at 50% against the worst possible candidate opponents could field, out of shape.
Nope.
Maga would never ever vote for a democrat .
Even Kennedy/Clinton would lose vs any maga candidate in a maga state .
U know the difference between a conservative and maga ?
A conservative hates democrats policies but maga just hates the democrats regardless of policies ….
And the proof is , they even votes against policies that are good for them if it comes out from democrat aka last 2 border policies in 2024 .
Trump is low energy and caught up in various dynamics which should each cost him the election, but it's just a toss up yet.
This is how much Harris is worth, running at a coin flip against a convicted felon who is almost 80y old and has a hard time being coherent for more than 5minutes straight.
Most people would be crushing him with insane polls but Harris, uniquely, manages to be at 50% against the worst possible candidate opponents could field, out of shape.
You’re not even from a real country, you are being held up by EU charity
Seriously though do you not understand the cult of MAGA? They will do literally anything they can to keep hold of power because they think abortion is murder. Trump just committed the worst sin, questioning party orthodox. Probably this and the vaccine debate are the first chinks in his armor.
Seriously though do you not understand the cult of MAGA? They will do literally anything they can to keep hold of power because they think abortion is murder.
There's obviously some number of people in that camp that this applies to, but no way a primary driver for them overall.
It's #1 economy, which they believe a famous billionaire is automatically superior at managing regardless of actual history. It's generally the #1 issue for liberals too of course but doesn't poll near as high as conservatives especially right now.
And #2 by a mile now, immigration, because they've had decades worth of media hammering home that white culture is under attack by outsiders. Of course they have since jumped straight to calling them gangsters and rapists and promoting replacement theory garbage. It was a thing before but now it's a massive driver and DJT has drummed this way up himself.
All this bit about abortion and Christian values is just their attempt at some moral high ground, no different than support our troops and all the other **** they pretend to care about. They also poll vastly higher on their level of worry/concern on most issues which again is consistent with all the fearmongering media they're targeted by.
I think DJT could completely flip position on abortion tomorrow and all he'd lose is a handful of points. Women having access to abortion would piss some off but overall it just isn't something that scares them.
There's obviously some number of people in that camp that this applies to, but no way a primary driver for them overall.
It's #1 economy, which they believe a famous billionaire is automatically superior at managing regardless of actual history. It's generally the #1 issue for liberals too of course but doesn't poll near as high as conservatives especially right now.
And #2 by a mile now, immigration, because they've had decades worth of media hammering home that white culture is under attack by
Yes, immigration and inflation seem to be bigger fears than their neighbor getting an abortion. I'd put the fear that their kids could become gay, woke, or both is up there over abortion, as well.
Maybe, but I'm not sure if that's more your garden-variety homophobia or just their general tendency to want to impart their lifestyle on others.
My own observation says there a correlation between parents who have a problem with their gay kid and people who are generally shitty parents to begin with. I've certainly heard of cases where Wholesome Good Guy Dad is just ignorant and actually thinks it's a phase or lifestyle choice that they can fix, it's just not the case I've tended to see a lot of.
Trump is low energy and caught up in various dynamics which should each cost him the election, but it's just a toss up yet.
This is how much Harris is worth, running at a coin flip against a convicted felon who is almost 80y old and has a hard time being coherent for more than 5minutes straight.
Most people would be crushing him with insane polls but Harris, uniquely, manages to be at 50% against the worst possible candidate opponents could field, out of shape.
Absurd take considering Harris has only been a Presidential candidate for a single month. When else in the history of US Presidential elections has a candidate like Trump gone from being the presumptive winner to the likely loser in just 30 days?
Most people would be crushing him with insane polls but Harris, uniquely, manages to be at 50% against the worst possible candidate opponents could field, out of shape.
You really don’t get it, do you?
You think her 50% equity against a historical trainwreck is an indication of her weakness as a candidate.
It’s not that. It’s an indication of just how pathetically stupid and ethically vapid 50% of our population is that they would be beholden to such an obvious charlatan to a cultish degree.
There's obviously some number of people in that camp that this applies to, but no way a primary driver for them overall.
It's #1 economy, which they believe a famous billionaire is automatically superior at managing regardless of actual history. It's generally the #1 issue for liberals too of course but doesn't poll near as high as conservatives especially right now.
And #2 by a mile now, immigration, because they've had decades worth of media hammering home that white culture is under attack by
I can see what you’re saying, but I’m talking about people who are really far down the rabbithole. If you are all in on qanon and satanic pedophile cults, or even if you are a huge “GOP is based christian nationalist” heritage foundation types, you see that the diehards are mostly motivated by more niche issues. That’s just how I see it. I think the average Trump voter probably acts like how you’re saying.
CNBC: How Elon Musk’s endorsement of Trump may have backfired
Elon Musk’s endorsement of former President Donald Trump was meant to buoy the candidate’s chances in November. But more than a month after Musk officially put his weight behind Trump, a series of Democratic attacks have suggested that the endorsement has exposed a vulnerability.
Since the tech billionaire endorsed Trump on July 13, the campaign of Vice President Kamala Harris has repeatedly attacked Musk for his anti-worker stances. The campaign has called Musk and Trump “self-obsessed rich guys” and reposted audio from an event on Musk’s social media app, X, in which the two laugh together about firing striking workers.
Then there was the live one-on-one discussion on X, which Trump’s campaign billed as “the interview of the century.” Partway through the two-hour event, Trump brought up how much he admires Musk’s handling of labor unions.
“I look at what you do. You walk in and you just say, ‘You wanna quit?’” Trump said while laughing.
“Yeah,” Musk broke in, also laughing.
“They go on strike,” Trump continued. “I won’t mention the name of the company, but they go on strike, and you say, ‘That’s OK, you’re all gone. You’re all gone, so every one of you is gone.’ And you are the greatest.”
The Harris campaign quickly jumped on the exchange with a post on X that has been viewed 7.2 million times. And it has posted about the exchange at least three times since.
Harris’ campaign added in a statement soon after the event: “Trump’s entire campaign is in service of people like Elon Musk and himself — self-obsessed rich guys who will sell out the middle class and who cannot run a livestream in the year 2024.” (The event was delayed 40 minutes by technical difficulties.)
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^ love how America now is simply attacking the other side.
Neither party, nor their media accomplices, talk about the good that they will do. It's only attacks on the other candidate.
Sad state of affairs.
