PAHWM - AJss on the Button
Dynamics - Sunday afternoon local room, 1/2 NL 50-300 max
H - 30 year old white kid, prob has a loose splashy image compared to the rest of the table
V1 - 50ish year old woman, plays tight passive, only HH of note - limped pot - flop A107 ,x through H bets pot with A9, V calls, turn 5 x, x, river K, x H bets 2/3, V tank calls and angrily folds a weaker Ace
V2 - 50 year old white guy, covers table, has played anything from T4o, 27dd, limped and cold called QQ, seems to just be clicking buttons
The Hand -
three to 4 limps including V2 in the CO, H looks down at AJss (350ish) and makes it 15, V1 (250ish) makes the call in BB, one random limper calls, H2 calls in CO (500ish)
Flop (60ish)
6sJh6d
x,x,x h?
H bets: ~15-20
I would go 2/3 pot.
On this paired, rainbow multiway board, I think $15-20 sounds right.
I find low stakes Vs tend to be non-believers on paired boards, so I think we can size up for value, even though the board is very dry. $40 sounds good.
I would have raised to at least 20 pre with all these limpers.
I like a check. Hand doesn't need a huge amount of protection. No problem with a small bet though.
I know the rules on a PAHWM are to wait about 24 hours, but pre and flop I thought were standards so I will move things along and wait till tomorrow to post the next installment.
Flop (60)
6J6r
x,x,x and h elects to bet 20
V1 calls after 20 seconds or so of thinking, random player folds, V2 calls rather quickly...H is a little concerned that he has two callers but will evaluate on the turn
Turn (120)
6J6Ar
X,X,H?
H improves to top two, but besides losing to a slow played OP, the turn does not change much and H...?
I agree with the other poster above bet alil more pre after 4 limps.
Pot otf shuld be 50 right?
Bet 25 (hp) (not for "protection" but for Value. Paired boards usually make the other player's hands look better to them, especially pocket pairs).
I know the rules on a PAHWM are to wait about 24 hours, but pre and flop I thought were standards so I will move things along and wait till tomorrow to post the next installment.
Flop (60)
6J6r
x,x,x and h elects to bet 20
V1 calls after 20 seconds or so of thinking, random player folds, V2 calls rather quickly...H is a little concerned that he has two callers but will evaluate on the turn
Turn (120)
6J6Ar
X,X,H?
H improves to top two, but besides losing to a slow played OP, the turn does not change muc
I would probably check it back since it's 3 ways, not because I'm scared, but for deception to keep our range wide since there are a lot of aces in our range. Hopefully someone bets out otr a reasonable bet we can call.
I agree with the other poster above bet alil more pre after 4 limps.
Pot otf shuld be 50 right?
Bet 25 (hp) (not for "protection" but for Value. Paired boards usually make the other player's hands look better to them, especially pocket pairs).
I would probably check it back since it's 3 ways, not because I'm scared, but for deception to keep our range wide since there are a lot of aces in our range. Hopefully someone bets out otr a reasonable bet we can call.
There were 4 total callers pf, which is 60 + a few folded limps - the rake = ~60.
Flop bet size is a little on the smaller side, but I feel like I allow more weaker Jx to continue while a 2/3 size may fold out junk Jx and narrow the ranges to better hands (albeit I prob have the best hand atm)
My experience is that Junk Js are much more likely to call a largish bet on a paired board, as are PPs77-TT, especially when we have a V who called a PSB with TPNK OTF in the history hand and a button clicker, but w/e.
OTT, I'm not so sure we can get calls from worse so easily. That ace is probably scary to these Vs, as they often called flop because "that's just AK c-betting." Now their 2p hands are all counterfeited in their minds.
I would probably check it back, though my initial plan would have been a b/b/b line against the station and the clicker to maximize value. This card, while good for our hand, is bad for our value, imo. If we deleverage now, we may be able to get a bet OTR.
OTT
I doubt we may get 3 streets of value, and the board remains very dry, thus I lean towards a check back.
bet 20
Heads up I think 3 streets is reasonable. Multiway it's much more dubious. The chances of getting called by a weak Jack are lower (and I strongly agree that people will get scared off by the Ace even if it shouldn't change much). You're not going to get paid much by a random J9 on this board. Someone might have stuck around with an Ace, perhaps a backdoor NFD, who knows.
Having bet the flop, I'd now consider a check mainly because I'm just not convinced we'll get much value (this seems like a pot where we mostly win when the pot is small, and mostly lose when it's big). You could go small again. They are two weak opponents. You do have 4 outs if someone has a 6. Having sat on the fence on the flop, I'm going to do so again on the turn.
If you get calls, the chances of someone having an Ace are improving rapidly and I might be planning on shoving the river. Against these opponents I'd be inclined to think that a raise at any point will be heavily skewed towards a 6 - especially on the turn - unless you bet so small that you make it tempting.
My experience is that Junk Js are much more likely to call a largish bet on a paired board, as are PPs77-TT, especially when we have a V who called a PSB with TPNK OTF in the history hand and a button clicker, but w/e.
+1 (although I have played mostly in the midwest, and I think Garick has played some there too? Maybe this is an area on the country thing?)
Also check back turn, especially since we underbet the flop, now I'm looking to play a small pot.
Flop (60)
6J6r
x,x,x and h elects to bet 20
V1 calls after 20 seconds or so of thinking, random player folds, V2 calls rather quickly...H is a little concerned that he has two callers but will evaluate on the turn
Turn (120)
6J6Ar
X,X,H?
H improves to top two, but besides losing to a slow played OP, the turn does not change much and H...?
H decides to bet 30, V1 hesitates but makes the call, and then V2 clicks it back to 70....H?
Not folding get 4.5:1 on the turn. There are hands we still beat that could do this. Let's see what the villain does on the river by calling now.
I am checking back turn. Jx and pocket pairs are going to hate it and we pot control when we’re beat. We can bet river and get heroed.
Pot is 250, and we have to call 40, and V1 might also come? As long as you are sure V1 won't shove, let's call and see a river.
Small bet seems OK. I'd also now call for this price. If V1 back-raise then fold.
Yeah, with such pot odds I cannot fold top 2p, but certainly not too thrilled.
Probably fold to a big bet on the river, from either of the Vs (unless we boat up of course), and definitely fold should V1 come over the top ott.
I call