B v/ B w/ Foreign Player

Think you've overplayed your hand. Check at some point earlier

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Does not compute. Not sure why you bet turn at all, but def folding this Baluga Theorem spot from a tight ABC OTT.

If the table usually chopped, I would give up a little equity and chop.

Think we can just complete from the SB pre. Don't mind the raise, but it's marginal.

Mostly checking range from OOP on the flop. Let V stab at it. See what size he takes. Go from there.

Turn raise looks like he flopped something good and slow played it, or maybe improved to some weird 2P with J6s or T6s. Maybe he does this with 54hh, but that's a really narrow range for us to try to bluff catch. Mostly just folding to his raise.

Occasionally we can call and bluff the river on a scare card, if we think he's capable of folding 2P and our image doesn't suck for getting bluffs through. We might have five outs to the best hand, plus maybe as many as 20 bluff outs, if we want to try to rep a flush or a straight on a draw completing river. With around a 50% chance to suck out or make a play on the river, I might think about calling.

The river 4d is just a brick. Easy fold now. If he takes this line with worse value or a missed draw, good for him.

Pre seems good (rake probably means no limping).

Would check flop.

As played I would check turn. As played I would fold to turn raise.

As played on river I'd want to know why I called turn ... if it's to bluff on a good bluff card, this isn't it. If it's that you thought V was way out of line, then I guess call.

My own feeling is the right etiquette is you chop every time or you never chop no matter your hand.

Pre is fine providing chop is not the etiquette.

Check flop.

As played flop, check turn.

As played to raise, fold turn.

As played to river, fold river.

If he doesn't chop in a raked game I'm never completing, raise was fine.

The call ott was horrible, especially since "Villain plays a tight ABC game".

It was played horribly and I'm sure the reason for posing it is bc you won the hand, but that doesn't mean it was well played.

I'd chop preflop.

Think OOP to a solid player I'd mostly check the flop for deception / pot control / get to showdown for a reasonable price.

Ditto for turn. As played I'd fold at all other decision points.

Maybe it is just posting bias, but a huge number of hands you post have you playing good winning players OOP in huge pots with extremely marginal hands. If you're crushing the game, keep doing that; but if you're not (I actually have no idea where you are sitting results-wise in your game?) it would be the first thing I'd eliminate.

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

Ok to elaborate - this V doesnt chop and takes the game seriously. He tops up every hand to 500$. Wears gloves to handle his chips and plays a winning game thats value heavy (since bluffing is mostly unprofitable at our game), my image to him is not good. My range to him here is going to be very wide.

Glad to see you're taking all the advice you're getting on here seriously!

[QUOTE=Stupidbanana]Wears gloves to handle his chips [/QUOTE]
Is he some sort of kiddy fiddler?

You shouldn't have told him what your hand was by betting 0.4p on the blank turn.

"He wears gloves to handle chips" is gonna haunt me for a while. Are these like weight lifting gloves, or like branded gamer swag specifically for chip shuffling? How do you know that's what they're for? Has he talked about them before? What does everyone else make of this?

I'm always astounded when people believe that there are crushers who rarely, if ever, bluff. People who rarely/never bluff are nits, and they are NOT big winners.

There are enough multiway pots with protected action at 1/3NL- that you can make money just playing ~15/10 and vbetting TPTK+. Even to the extent that people get in situations where you can get positive expectation with a bluff, most people at those games are so under-studied on how to do it correctly that it's probably pretty much a wash in terms of EV.

But if your sights are set any higher, you might as well learn how to play poker now while the punts are limited to 3 figures...

Meh...what you're describing are TAGfish who may have been winners in 2005, but I can't see how this style is going to lead anyone to crush live poker in 2024. They're the ones who raise big PF and then bitch when they don't flop well or get outdrawn.

FWIW, I also get a visceral reaction when people talk about "bluffing" like it means only the large turn bluffs on wet boards. Our flop c-bets (when HU) are supposed to be 2:1 bluff to value. Our turn bets are supposed to be 1:1 bluff to value. The only people "who don't bluff" are nits and loose-passives. Neither crush the game.

Result:

thoughts?

I have my first datum for mda on dudes wearing chip shuffling gloves.

Also another point for Team “All Reads in OP are Vibes and Lies”

This guy needs to re-evaluate his “no chopping” policy.

I like bluff catching with this hand but would rather do it by check/calling than bet/calling.

do you ever have a hand that can continue if you check any street? ev is likely somewhat close between bet and x for alot of these hands but you just seem to always bet them

I did x/call

Bad bluff by him, bad call by you.

Oh my bad. Well played.