Israel/Palestine thread
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nobody has been able to explain what other "Muslim countries" have to do with Palestine. as far as I can tell from the pro-Israel group, the people in Gaza need to atone for any atrocity ever committed by a German, Russian, or Muslim.
Lebanon, Yemen, Iran and Qatar are an axis of countries that materially support Hamas in their terroristic attempt to genocide Israelis.
There are fewer Jews in those countries combined that there are Arabs in the IDF.
1967 borders and right of return is not genocide. Israel is committing a real genocide bc they claim a fake genocide will happen.
No country (I think Russia included) recognizes Transnistria. When fighting broke out, Transnistria was completely reliant on Russian arms, and Russian soldiers "deserterted" to fight alongside Transnistria and provide artillery support. After the ceasefire Russia did not remove its troops, kept the conflict frozen and making the area a breakaway region similar to DPR and LPR. They are currently completely reliant on Russia to function, which Russia is happy to do since it can be used to annex the entire country later on exactly like LPR and DPR.
Lebanon, Yemen, Iran and Qatar are an axis of countries that materially support Hamas in their terroristic attempt to genocide Israelis.
There are fewer Jews in those countries combined that there are Arabs in the IDF.
This is just a garden variety misapplication of statistics. 80% of Jews in the world live in 2 countries- Israel and the US.
There are fewer Jews in France, Canada, Uk, Mexico etc than Arabs in the IDF that the meme could apply too, but it’s cherry-picked the Muslim countries because it fits the point they want to make.
It’s not a big gotcha imo.
1967 borders and right of return is not genocide. Israel is committing a real genocide bc they claim a fake genocide will happen.
Right of return will never happen. It’s one of the most stupid demands in any IR intractable conflict in the modern era. Peace will never happen so long as Palestinian leaders don’t come clean and be real with their populace that it will not happen.
How many Arab Muslims are in the IDF?
Because Google is saying there are fewer than 1000 Muslim Arabs volunteering for the IDF, which would make the statistic not even true even when applied only to Arab countries.
You can reverse it to make it sound equally ridiculous, like there are more Jews in the territory of Gibraltar than Muslim Arabs who serve in the IDF.
It’s just dumb to use memes as sources of actual information.
This is just a garden variety misapplication of statistics. 80% of Jews in the world live in 2 countries- Israel and the US.
There are fewer Jews in France, Canada, Uk, Mexico etc than Arabs in the IDF that the meme could apply too, but it’s cherry-picked the Muslim countries because it fits the point they want to make.
It’s not a big gotcha imo.
Except there were a lot of Jews in Iran before the radical shia theocracy was installed.
And it's not cherry picking the countries, it's taking the countries that are currently trying to make Israel disappear from the map.
This is just a garden variety misapplication of statistics. 80% of Jews in the world live in 2 countries- Israel and the US.
There are fewer Jews in France, Canada, Uk, Mexico etc than Arabs in the IDF that the meme could apply too, but it’s cherry-picked the Muslim countries because it fits the point they want to make.
It’s not a big gotcha imo.
There were Jews in all the countries. He listed before nineteen forty eight, so it is very relevant. They were forced out of those four countries due to anti semitism, just like they were forced out of most middle east arab countries due to anti Semitic.
Meanwhile the only Jewish country in the middle east has Muslims as 20% of its population and a great number of them join the idf to help defend and protect the only democracy in the region
So no,, it is absolutely not just some big gotcha
It's not a big gotcha
IThanks to the Abraham accords, Jews are beginning to be allowed to visit their ancestors'countries now
There were Jews in all the countries. He listed before nineteen forty eight, so it is very relevant. They were forced out of those four countries due to anti semitism, just like they were forced out of most middle east arab countries due to anti Semitic.
Meanwhile the only Jewish country in the middle east has Muslims as 20% of its population and a great number of them join the idf to help defend and protect the only democracy in the region
So no,, it is absolutely not just some big gotcha
It's no
Again, Google is saying that only around 1% of that 20% volunteer for the IDF. So how many Muslim Arabs are in the IDF, and what point is the meme making that is relevant to the Palestine conflict? Is the meme even true?
right of return for me but not thee
Google saying around 8500 Jews live in Iran.
Is that number higher or lower than the number of Muslim Arabs in the IDF?
There were over 100,000 in 1948
Now all of the sudden the meme has to be literally accurate
Ok, so the meme you posted is not accurate. Because there are in fact more Jews in some Muslim countries than there are Arab Muslims fighting in the IDF, and whoever made that meme was either intentionally misleading or didn’t bother to check if it was true first, and then you spread that misinformation. The language is definitely intentionally misleading because what is “any number”?
All of this is beside the point that even if it were exactly true and factual, what on earth does that have to do with Palestinians?
Ok, so the meme you posted is not accurate. Because there are in fact more Jews in some Muslim countries than there are Arab Muslims fighting in the IDF, and whoever made that meme was either intentionally misleading or didn’t bother to check if it was true first, and then you spread that misinformation. The language is definitely intentionally misleading because what is “any number”?
All of this is beside the point that even if it were exactly true and factual, what on earth does that have to do
You got me i feel so defeated!
It was supposed to be literal like the Barista discussion earlier!!
Both sides so frequently fall into this where we’re just citing things in order to win, not to be heard. If you want to make the point that antisemitism exists and is more virulent in some cultures than others, you’d get no argument from me. Absolutely agreed. But one shouldn’t have to misrepresent facts to get to that truth.
Anyway, in general I think the memes are dumb, and I wish both sides would just not do it. But I get yelled at when I delete things these days so I guess that’s just my opinion.
Because Google is saying there are fewer than 1000 Muslim Arabs volunteering for the IDF, which would make the statistic not even true even when applied only to Arab countries.
You should google how many non volunteer Arabs are in the IDF. Every Israeli has to serve in the military. You may be looking at just those who chose to volunteer.
You got me i feel so defeated!
It was supposed to be literal like the Barista discussion earlier!!
Well, when you’re discussing tangible things like numbers it’s meant to be literal… The point wasn’t to “defeat” you, I am always suspicious of memes that make claims like that because they rarely pass the smell test.
Jews never got the right of return in Germany Poland or any European country. Or from any of the middle east countries they were expelled from
78 years later ... move on
yes, they should take it up with those countries and not the use any of those injustices as reasons to do the same thing to the Palestinians.
but shoulda woulda coulda at this point. this only gets solved with guns and bombs human life. the Resistances has a lot more life to give than Israel.
No jewish settlement in Gaza does not imply that Israel won't have a military presence in Gaza during the transition to a non terrorist government by the way
It will be very West Bankish security wise in Gaza for quite some time. It's unfortunate but the Palestinians have brought this upon themselves.
