UnitedHealth CEO Assassinated
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
Can't imagine how mentally ill somebody has to be to actually go "HAHAHAHAHAHA people think I'm a POS? HAHHAHA I CAN'T TYPE!"
Thankfully, the powers that be didn't take your continuous lobbying for mod powers seriously. Who knows what kind of madhouse this place would turn into otherwise.
Oh that reminds me
Me for mod
Do you think there's any version of a reality that you'd like to see that includes them happily going along?
I only wish death on people who don't break down their boxes and people who throw things at runners. And even then I wouldn't celebrate it but rather just take it at just their just comeuppance.
Wishing death on people definitely isn’t the same as ‘oh that guy died? Lol’
But sure, run wild and free to frame it however you want. Apparently the latter constitutes *checks notes* literal terrorism
Did you know that? I did not know that!
#srm4mod
A different jury might have reached a different verdict, not that our legal system is without its merits. I'm not familiar with the case, but arguing that because a jury decided to acquit someone that the action is then morally justified, is low standard to set. Juries aren't infallible, and if there are such things as right and wrong, they aren't the ultimate authority, just referees.
I went digging and turns out the judge instructed the jury to acquit her and it was manslaughter she was on trial for, not murder as I stated initially, as I'd remembered it wrong.
The Uzbek woman said in her statement to gardai* that she had stabbed her husband while he was sitting on a small chair in their bedroom.
She insisted that she did not know how many times she had stabbed him
The court heard that Mr Sulaymanov had earlier that evening smashed his wife's head into the front door, partially shattering the door.
The assault came after he had demanded that his wife, mother-in-law and two children immediately return to the family home from the city centre where they had gone to watch a fireworks display.
The deceased had also assaulted Mrs Sulaymanova's mother.
When gardai arrived at the house on December 31, all five occupants had to be hospitalised including the children.
The court also heard that on a previous occasion the deceased had broken his wife's nose and torn out her hair.
Judge Murphy directed the jury to find Mrs Sulaymanova not guilty after submissions by the defence counsel, Blaise O'Carroll, that the woman had clearly acted only in self-defence.
*Gardai (pronounced gar-dee)- Irish police.
Literal terrorism
If it was twenty years ago, people like you would make it onto a government watch-list and would have permabanned from this site immediately. Times sure have changed.
Pining for the good old days of authoritarian fascism because you got butthurt by an edgy internet post, that's a great look.
Btw to be clear, personally I have 0 problem with CN, stoppedrain and others not being sad at the idea that a particular guy they disliked is dead.
I actually think it is fully human not to care about all human life the same, and to rank it in value putting some human beings, for whatever reason, down the ladder in how much you care about them.
I have a problem with me having been banned for saying the exact same thing about other people in the past.
Can't imagine how mentally ill somebody has to be to actually go "HAHAHAHAHAHA people think I'm a POS? HAHHAHA I CAN'T TYPE!"
Thankfully, the powers that be didn't take your continuous lobbying for mod powers seriously. Who knows what kind of madhouse this place would turn into otherwise.
This:
Im middle eastern, im probably already on a list
was admittedly funny though.
I only wish death on people who don't break down their boxes and people who throw things at runners. And even then I wouldn't celebrate it but rather just take it at just their just comeuppance.
It's just business somehow seems a little colder no? 2 behind the ear now let's go grab a snack before we erase the other one later 😀 Taking some joy in delivering the deserved justice is no worse probably about even really but it is bringing some human emotion to it. Being genuinely sad about it is the one I'm wondering about.
Same applies from the sidelines as an observer.
Btw to be clear, personally I have 0 problem with CN, stoppedrain and others not being sad at the idea that a particular guy they disliked is dead.
I actually think it is fully human not to care about all human life the same, and to rank it in value putting some human beings, for whatever reason, down the ladder in how much you care about them.
I have a problem with me having been banned for saying the exact same thing about other people in the past.
Framing this in terms of care, in my mind, isn’t that interesting or fruitful. Of course you’re right that it’s not wrong to care more about those who you know intimately.
This is about justice. Temporary vs lasting justice.
My point is that the people cheering this on are rooting against lasting justice (by cheering for temporary justice), even though deep down they will only be satisfied with lasting justice.
I haven't read much in this thread so I might be repeating something already said.
I seriously doubt the ceo was some sort of dastardly figurehead. I don't really know much about him but my sense is he's not much different from any corporate ceo. He certainly doesn't deserve to be gunned down.
The political issue imo is the healthcare industry. It is a for profit business that doesn't care a whit about anyone's health. The ceo is there to ensure that a profit is made for the shareholders of th
FWIW I would call this market more about being a corpocracy instead of capitalism.
Corporate aristocracy*
Im basically in the **** around and find out territory with this guy being at the helm of this company. If youve got this much power behind your company that can negatively affect so many people uneccesarily, youve got to at least accept the premise that youre going to be hated.
But popping the bottles over this as some opp for positve change arent thinking very clearly imo when you start normalizing this kind of problem spvling behavior. Youre just going to continue to degrade the practices that you wanted to see put to an end.
But the no amount of theft crowd...has defintitely changed over the last few years. Welcome comrades!
Aristocracy fixes power in inheritable ways.
Current people in power had insignificant parents, their parents weren't in the top 0.001% of those calling the shots.
That's not aristocracy, in aristocracy if you don't come from the top 0.01% you have 0 chance of ever achieving any power.
It's a selected oligarchy where if you are monstrously better at playing the game than others you can join the ranks.
Hundreds of thousands of people had more powerful parents than Musk, but Musk outplayed every single one of them at the game of life.
CORPORATE aristocracy. Read it again.
I would call the market democrats want that, republicans want to reduce regulations and did so when they governed in the past, when the violence of the state isn't used to pick winners, that's when you actually have capitalism.
If you want capitalism you can't have abusive regulation used to keep people the democrats dislike out of markets
The most successful companies today didn't exist 50 years ago. That's not aristocracy.
Corporate aristocracy is Italy or Japan where the most successful companies date back centuries.
In corporate aristocracy the top 20 companies 100 years ago are all very relevant today. That's aristocracy.
In American capitalism some random guys can come and build something from nothing that's worth more than everything before they came in human history. Google Nvidia Tesla Microsoft Amazon all didn't exist 50 years ago.
That's the literal opposite of aristocracy, where IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR NEWCOMERS TO EVER BE WORTH ANYTHING IN SOCIETY. The whole idea of aristocracy is that the totality of power and resources belong , through inheritance, to previously successful families.
Facepalm
Whyt didn't Viktor and Jalfrezi mention that while the wife was a least partially guilty the children weren't?
Why isn't the correct answer not obvious to 90 IQs?
If the CEO was in any way responsible for denying life saving claims he deserved to be killed if other companies can be expected to take note and stop doing that;
If the wife was willing to stay married to a man while aware of what her husband was doing and didn't try to stop it, she deserves to be laughed at the very least.
The children should not be laughed at.
For some reason absolutely no one on this thread voices all three of these opinions simultaneously even though any other combination of opinions is moronic. What's wrong with all of you?
The CEO only moral responsibility while doing his job is toward stockholders. Any legal action he partakes in that maximize stockholder value is not only moral, but an utmost moral imperative.
Btw every single individual worldwide who owns SP500 index funds or proxies thereof profited by those CEO actions. IF it is true that he had some people die to save money, legally, that's something millions of other people profited from. That's how "public companies" work.
You can either put your eskimo and play the cuban revolutionary or accept that NO MORAL MANDATE TO HELP STRANGERS EXIST AT ALL
I'd add that anyone who has any money he can spare that doesn't give to random people in need is "killing them" identically to unitedhealth CEO, if omission is killing.
That's true for every single human being with savings worldwide.
So stop playing this absurd, obscene, morally horrific game where omission to sacrifice yourself to help others is murder, or is in any way immoral.
Why is this murder labeled an assassination in the thread title? Who even knew who this guy was a week ago?
