UnitedHealth CEO Assassinated
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
We have really enter into an new era .
Now there is conspiracy on every subject and news u can find …
Did you realize that they were two different backpacks/jackets until I pointed it out? I didn't dive through the entire thread, but has anyone else mentioned this on 2+2?
If not, then I rest my case.
I don't see two backpacks, I see a backpack and a black duffle/gym bag with a single shoulder strap. I do see a pullover and a jacket that completely unzips.
But I don't know what "you are resting your case on."
The whole point is to goad law enforcement, with the support of the mainstream media and the general public, into focusing their attention on him, thereby taking heat off the accomplice. At that point, since he is actually innocent of 2nd degree murder, he beats the charges
Not to conspiracy-splain things to you, but if Luigi was an accomplice to a murder he does not beat the charges.
If they're clamoring for attention, they likely have low self-esteem. Feelings of anger often lay at the bottom, and they'll project those emotions onto others. If they don't have a "good cause" they'll find one.
Or the guy had his back totally ****ed up by our for-profit healthcare system and was justifiably angry about it. No, his own given reason for the anger can't be it, gotta be about that darn self-esteem...
I mean, also, he is wealthy, accomplished academically, and good-looking. I know such a man still may suffer from low self-esteem, but the odds are much worse compared to the average man.
It's wishful thinking, but it would be good if media didn't really cover healthcare for a while. In fact, they should stop giving so much energy to the story. At the very least, they could stop looping a video of the shooting every time they talk about it.
"it would be good if media didn't really cover healthcare for a while"
That's definitely the most disgusting thing I've read so far today.
It seems like you're of the type that can excuse away any atrocity committed by the US as long as it's not plastered across everybody's TV screens. You dislike disorder more than you care about individuals or groups getting steamrolled by the powerful interests of this country. In other words, you're a fascist.
(or, at least, these two takes are fascist-adjacent)
Your other hand is the more important one. If reading our posts results in three people not murdering three corrupt insurance CEOS but causes fifty of them to be non fatally shot in the legs, we would be doing our good deed for the day.
Will you just shut up, man? Go write another crappy poker book that fish think is deeply profound. You are the nut worst.
His anger was extremely well-placed. A bit of indirect evidence for that is the OVERWHELMING hatred across this country of medical insurance executives and their "industry".
I don't see two backpacks, I see a backpack and a black duffle/gym bag with a single shoulder strap. I do see a pullover and a jacket that completely unzips.
But I don't know what "you are resting your case on."
The fact that this is info that will be important in the trial that the public has not recognized. If he was wearing the exact same jacket/backpack as everyone seems to assume, then it would be a slam dunk case.
But because there are no photos of his face with the clothes the killer was wearing (the only person wearing those that those articles is a unibrow-less guy who seems to have a different nose structure), the trial is not the open and shut case that people are assuming.
This narrative would also explain why he seems so confident despite the evidence found on him and why he would yell "you're insulting the intelligence of the American people."
The fact that this is info that will be important in the trial that the public has not recognized. If he was wearing the exact same jacket/backpack as everyone seems to assume, then it would be a slam dunk case.
But because there are no photos of his face with the clothes the killer was wearing (the only person wearing those that those articles is a unibrow-less guy who seems to have a different nose structure), the trial is not the open and shut case that people are assuming.
This narrative would
I don't understand your narrative here. Is it that people don't travel with enough clothes to have two forms of outerwear in NYC in December?
I get that you want to do an eyebrow comparison and a nose structure comparison to prove he isn't the same guy. Post your evidence and tell us what you see.
I noticed you didn't address the two backpacks issue. Do you agree now that he is only pictured with one backpack in your photo array?
Or the guy had his back totally ****ed up by our for-profit healthcare system and was justifiably angry about it. No, his own given reason for the anger can't be it, gotta be about that darn self-esteem...
I mean, also, he is wealthy, accomplished academically, and good-looking. I know such a man still may suffer from low self-esteem, but the odds are much worse compared to the average man.
Someone can be justifiably angry about something and take it to the extreme, as is the case with the shooter, but anyone who does something like this has issues with themselves. It would have been a matter of time before something else triggered him. Even if it didn't play out as violence, it would have surfaced in an unhealthy way.
"it would be good if media didn't really cover healthcare for a while"
That's definitely the most disgusting thing I've read so far today.
It seems like you're of the type that can excuse away any atrocity committed by the US as long as it's not plastered across everybody's TV screens. You dislike disorder more than you care about individuals or groups getting steamrolled by the powerful interests of this country. In other words, you're a fascist.
(or, at least, these two takes are fascist-adjac
The story deserves coverage but not 'round the clock. It kind of reminds me of Natural Born Killers. Anyway, media focusing on healthcare right now could lead to copycats wherever injustice — real or not — is found. None of this will change things for the better, and we shouldn't validate his actions. The above comment is nothing but projection.
I don't understand your narrative here. Is it that people don't travel with enough clothes to have two forms of outerwear in NYC in December?
I get that you want to do an eyebrow comparison and a nose structure comparison to prove he isn't the same guy. Post your evidence and tell us what you see.
I noticed you didn't address the two backpacks issue. Do you agree now that he is only pictured with one backpack in your photo array?
No, it's definitely possible to have two forms of outerwear, but everyone I've talked to (and seemingly everyone on this site) seems to have assumed the backpack/jackets were the same, which I why I'm interested to see if anyone thinks it's worthwhile to re-examine the narrative given this more detailed info.
As for the backpack, how do you not see it in the hostel pic? To me he is wearing a black one slung over one shoulder, as is common when people are approaching counters and might want to reach into it for something. Why assume it's a duffel when it's 2024 and basically no one uses duffels anymore?
Many things don't make sense: Why use two different backpacks/jackets that look so similar? Why give yourself up in McDonalds with all the evidence after making the getaway? Why yell "you're insulting the intelligence of the American people"? Why be so confident despite having all the evidence against you? Does all this seem normal to you?
I posted the pictures of the eyebrow difference. The second pic I posted is the day he was caught. Go take a look and tell me what you think relative to the (admittedly low quality) shooter pic.
I wouldn't say that the backpacks look similar but when I travel I usually have three different backpacks-- my main 38 L bag, a smaller waterproof 20 L one that packs down to about the size of a fist, and an even smaller 10 L bag.
Your other hand is the more important one. If reading our posts results in three people not murdering three corrupt insurance CEOS but causes fifty of them to be non fatally shot in the legs, we would be doing our good deed for the day.
I’m sure this sounded smart in your head. But you also share floss with a parrot
No, it's definitely possible to have two forms of outerwear, but everyone I've talked to (and seemingly everyone on this site) seems to have assumed the backpack/jackets were the same, which I why I'm interested to see if anyone thinks it's worthwhile to re-examine the narrative given this more detailed info.
As for the backpack, how do you not see it in the hostel pic? To me he is wearing a black one slung over one shoulder, as is common when people are approaching counters and might want to re
You are going to have to tell us what you think the narrative is and what you think it should given all of the abnormal findings you have discovered. I am sure you have answers to your question that form your own narrative based on your tone. What do you think happened, did he act alone, does he have a body double?
The pictures aren’t clear, but it appears to be a duffle bag with a padded shoulder strap that hangs lower and is of larger dimensions than a backpack. I don’t see a second strap either. Plus, I rarely see people using two backpacks when traveling in non camping travel. I use a gym bag/duffle bag all the time and see plenty of people using them.
I don’t see the big eyebrow difference that can’t be explained by shadows, different lighting and different picture quality. What do you see?
I’ve been avoiding posting on 2+2 and on SM in general since Brian was murdered. He was flawed personally and professionally like all of us, but he was undeniably a caring and thoughtful person who was seen as (at times an unwelcome) change agent within his own company.
I’m critical of the US healthcare system and have come to believe that private insurance is essentially a wealth redistribution scheme. But I really can’t fathom those that would condone Brian’s murder. It saddens me that this is where we are and that this POV is so widely accepted. It’s been a rough several days, to say the least.
Florida woman threatened to assassinate people from another insurance company on the phone, using Mangione words
if you were wondering, this is what people defending the assassination and the general attitude of "he deserved to die" are responsible for.
you know the stochastic terrorism accusation leveled against Trump and right-wing people in general? as with every accusation by the left directed to the right, it was projection of their own inner attitude.
This widespread defense of the violent hatred against insurance companies and their employees is the actual stochastic terrorism
I’ve been avoiding posting on 2+2 and on SM in general since Brian was murdered. He was flawed personally and professionally like all of us, but he was undeniably a caring and thoughtful person who was seen as (at times an unwelcome) change agent within his own company.
I’m critical of the US healthcare system and have come to believe that private insurance is essentially a wealth redistribution scheme. But I really can’t fathom those that would condone Brian’s murder. It saddens me that thi
all insurance where you cannot properly price risk is wealth redistribution
I’ve been avoiding posting on 2+2 and on SM in general since Brian was murdered. He was flawed personally and professionally like all of us, but he was undeniably a caring and thoughtful person who was seen as (at times an unwelcome) change agent within his own company.
I’m critical of the US healthcare system and have come to believe that private insurance is essentially a wealth redistribution scheme. But I really can’t fathom those that would condone Brian’s murder.
yea turns out most of the internet is now 4chan
also no one seems mad at the doctors, ie the people who actually have the ability to deliver medical care and whose position can be almost universally summed up as **** you pay me
(to be clear - please dont go around shooting doctors in order to make your political points, thank you)
We have really enter into an new era .
Now there is conspiracy on every subject and news u can find …
It's about time we got to this era.
When people say "there's probably more to this story then we're being told" or "I wonder if this killing was some kinds of FF to call out the private health insurance industry" (especially when our gov't's in competition with them for their own social healthcare system).
There's merit to these questions. It doesn't mean "oh no not another conspiracy theory". It's smart people saying "hmm, I wonder what their motives were and what the big picture is here".
MK Ultra was once a conspiracy theory, and that's been going on now since before the Vietnam war. Imagine now only how far the biotechnology is today. Is it a conspiracy theory to think this too ?
Anyway, media focusing on healthcare right now could lead to copycats wherever injustice — real or not — is found. None of this will change things for the better, and we shouldn't validate his actions. The above comment is nothing but projection.
Our for-profit medical system has been broken for decades. What else will fix it? Voting EVEN HARDER the next time? More scolding? We've done all that stuff, and here we are. Then, one day, a blessed hero did a heroic bit of violent protest and a week+ later, even within our 24-hour news recycling system, we're all STILL discussing the monstrosity of our healthcare system. Some copycats would be wonderful! I can compile a list of other American monsters if anybody needs...
I’ve been avoiding posting on 2+2 and on SM in general since Brian was murdered. He was flawed personally and professionally like all of us, but he was undeniably a caring and thoughtful person who was seen as (at times an unwelcome) change agent within his own company.
I’m critical of the US healthcare system and have come to believe that private insurance is essentially a wealth redistribution scheme. But I really can’t fathom those that would condone Brian’s murder.
I don't condone Brian's murder. I celebrate it.
This "caring and thoughtful" friend of yours was an indirect mass murderer who made millions of dollars directly off the misery and pain of his fellow citizens. I bet some of those thousands of corpses on top of which he built his mansions were ALSO caring and thoughtful, how's about mourning them instead of this creep?
my advice to you is not to shoot anyone
oh and by the way, how can some mother****ing Brit be allowed to sarcastically quip his way through a thread about an uniquely American problem?
How could you possibly understand the righteous fury that tens of millions of Americans, throughout all political tendencies, feel toward health insurance vultures?
so be furious
the normalisation of murderous violence against political opponents, in the usa, in 2024, would be a horrible development with unpredictable consequences
i mean there's a finance guy itt cheering on luigi. doesn't seem to know what awaits him down that road
the normalisation of murderous violence against political opponents
ummm
so be furious
the normalisation of murderous violence against political opponents, in the usa, in 2024, would be a horrible development with unpredictable consequences
i mean there's a finance guy itt cheering on luigi. doesn't seem to know what awaits him down that road
Normalization? It's practically a guaranteed outcome when the wealth/power distribution becomes so skewed people feel they have no other choice. And entirely avoidable too but depending on the super wealthy&powerful reigning in their own greed isn't usually a safe bet. Probably why the same basic cycle has played out so many times.
