99 in the SB against a LAG

I think this is still raise-or-fold territory. You are in the worst position with a hand that wants to play with initiative, and you can't count on set-mining and stacking someone who opens this wide and who doesn't seem to be a post-flop spewtard.

The raise is way too big to cold-call, especially in the worst position and not closing the action.

Personally, I would 3bet in this spot. But it is going to create a lot of really uncomfortable spots post-flop since Villain is unlikely to fold pre-flop. I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with folding here against the gigantic size.

Does he size bigger with big hands? I usually abandon ship if they go huge with big hands.

If this is his standard iso size then I would 3b.

Was going to ask the same question. If this is an abnormally large iso, I might guess that he has one of the classic bad-reg "I am scared to play post-flop hands" hands, either AKo or JJ. We are doing badly against that range (and I wouldn't feel confident about bluffing him post-flop) so I would just fold.

If $20 is his standard iso size, then I would also 3b.

Over limpers, V has RFI to 20 most times, with no limpers he’s raised to 15.

I'd 3bet this guy to $75 (I read the other post) unless one of the limpers is the type to limp/raise. I don't mind a flat here, either, although I know everyone else is against it (except Playbig). Pretty easy to play post, and you might be able to outplay him post, too. I prefer the 3bet, though.

For those who say 3bet: are you more likely to 3bet here because V is a bad LAG? Facing an open by a loose-passive, would you fold 99 in the SB?

Also for people that wanna auto 3bet, are you just layin 80 bucks hoping to win 20 off a lag? Has he faced a 3bet before that we know of? because if he calls, the pots 160 with 320 behind. We're pretty much committing the rest of our stack when we cbet, so what's everyone's plan for playing post flop with over cards otf, are we going broke for 200 bb's then?

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I'm snap folding 99 if villain is loose-passive.

I'm raising most other villains here, although my preferred villain would be a TAG.

It really depends. In this exact scenario (two limps, Loose Passive ISOs huge) I would expect the Loose Passive player to have an incredibly strong range so I would never 3bet. I might call to set mine in that spot even against a big size.

But if it folds to a loose passive in late position, I would still consider 3betting 99 from the SB over a normal sized open.

I don’t know how to respond to this hypothetical without knowing what cards come out. The plan if he calls is to play post-flop. I know I’m ahead of his range that ISO’s preflop so let’s put more money in and play with the initiative. It’s not going to be a super fun spot when he has position and a wide range but, as you alluded to, the value of position is diminished at low SPR.

There are some overcard boards that I will cbet and some that I won’t. There are some runouts where I might bluff catch with second or third pair and there are some where I might fold.

I’m not going to shy away from a spot just because it’s difficult and high variance.

How does that rake work? Is it like a flat 6 on the flop no matter what? I hate that.

As atrocious as the rake is, and in spite of villain's huge raise size, I would imagine either calling or 3betting are both going to be profitable given the limpers, the raiser, and the big blind are all going to be weak players. I think it is going to be close between the two options. If the limpers and potentially the bb join in, there are more opportunities to hit your set and get paid off. I think I slightly prefer 3betting to 80 pre.

If we were deeper or the open raise were smaller, maybe flatting would become better. It is just that you are only hitting the set so often, and villains are only hitting their hands and paying you off so often. But when we 3bet, we sometimes win 26 straight away and we win with a flop cbet a lot. He is going to miss most flops, and occasionally we are getting called by 2 unders pre from the sound of villain, so he is going to fold flop more than he should and he is going to call flop with a worse hand more than he should.

Rake is 10 percent to 60 plus two for promo, one for bad beat, and one to the dealer who earns tips only. The limit table wins half the high hands. You gotta get there before 8 for the promo. Barf.

I'm confused about a room that is organized well-enough to fund promos, is trusted enough by the players to honor these promos without heavy skimming, but is too sketchy to actually pay their dealers?!?

i think cold call is fine, maybe best. you want the loose passive in the hand here. donk small if you flop a set and trap everyone.

id rather do that than 3b and have to play tricky spots fairly deep HU OOP vs the only player who isnt playing face up.

This isn't a LAG this is a light maniac. Would help to have postflop reads. You're ahead a lot here so 3-betting is the highest EV imo. Folding is an option. Depends on so many factors. Whats your image like? Also how did we arrive at 22:1 IO off a 400$ stack and 20$ open?

I would flat call. It might go 3-way. Definitely not just set mining. Don't think this is a good hand or situation to 3!.

calling pf is 100% a +EV play and probably the easier way to play the hand

3bet > call >> fold, for me. 3bet is absolutely standard with 99, would rather put pressure on a LAG now rather than play passively and get into awkward check-call spots postflop, and I don't really want to be multiway OOP with a hand like this. That said, calling is still way better than folding, but if it goes multiway it would be a straightforward setmine and no more.

So $6 max plus $2? When I first read it, I thought it was 10% up to $60!!! LOL. I've played in Paris where it was up to $40 -- just sickening.

Anyway, vs. a loose/passive, I might just flat and see a flop -- no need to 3bet.

Hmmm...tough spot, actually, with our specific hand, in the SB, facing this raise size, from this V. I could see an argument for folding, calling, and raising.

Option 1 - flat call, and fast play post on low boards.

Option 2 - raise small, like $50, and fold to a 4B. If he flats, check flop unless we flop a set on a wet board, and otherwise proceed cautiously, with a low SPR.

Option 3 - if we think his raise is a sizing tell, just fold.

Think I might prefer to deviate from our raise or fold strat and just flat call here, to keep the SPR higher.

I don't mind playing this multi-way. Having other opponents involved will increase the likelihood we'll get paid if we have the best hand, and should tamp down on V's post flop aggression somewhat. The only thing that sucks is we'll have the worst relative position to the PFR, but we can counter that by donking if we flop gold.

Results

Hero raises to 80. Everyone mucks.

During the hand, I was thinking 3bet or fold only. After reading the responses, I now think that, if I had a read that one of the limpers was a calling station, I would call or fold.

My takeaway: 99 in the SB vs a mid-position open is an inflection hand where the equity of all three actions converge. The decision depends on the reads of the Vs.

Holy crap. That sounds awful. And unbeatable. So the house is taking off 2-5 bb per hand?

Tell me the 2/5 and higher tables are raked differently. If so, and this goes to a question of yours in another thread, build up your roll outside the tables so that you don't have to donate like this.

Again, it's only a dollar higher than the "standard" 5 + 3.

While it sucks that we're forced to play the promo games and the funding comes from the winning pots, the promo drop at a non-sketchy cardroom with properly structured high hand promos is EV neutral--although in reality the high hand promos are probably somewhat +EV because they help to drive turnout--because it's what the fish want.