Cheating on the gulf coast
What exactly is going on down south, the same stable of players literally has won every event for the past year.. i know i can't be the only one thinking something smells fishy
No Donavan, the Truth can only hurt a cheater.
Some of us are not shallow enough to scam people for a living and act like those earnings make us better than others. You wouldn’t understand.
Pretty sure his name is Tanner not Donavan. Just search his username he plays it on every site and its his username across social media
Oddly his hendon shows 361k over 10 yrs, so roughly 36k a yr in cashes. Oof. He does fire a lot online and has had some good wsop.com cashes that arent included in the 361, but still kinda far from the person who should be talking down to others about their hendons. Esp bc pretty sure he at one point was traveling around firing series
In regards to what you just said, I really hope that players aren't doing that. It's a huge risk on their part, because if caught you would be banned for a very long time. If you are a serious player that would be just not worth the risk. I mainly only play at Cherokee, so I can't speak of other venues. At Cherokee like you said, the same chip sets are used across multiple big tourneys. I never really even put thought into this, but i'm kind of gonna be on the look out for it. I doubt it happens
I hope it isn't happening also but anytime gambling and money is involved people will do crazy stuff.
I know a good amount of the players that frequent all of the southern circuit and yearly stops. I am not a pro or even that much in the know, however I always ask my buddies about what they think is going on.
From the information I hear, it seems that there is a network of good, competent tourney players that are using every possible “advantage” afforded to them within the rules and ecosystem of casinos and cardrooms without actually cheating (but still could be).
They swap/stake/have same backer
What’s amazing about this 8 page thread is… the very first reply is the correct answer.
Wow, this thread brings back memories of the old RGP days and the GCA threads if any of you have been around long enough to remember that. This is a new account, but I have had several here over the past 20 or so years, though my post count is probably still a lot lower than most of yours even if you add them all together (I lurk here for professional reasons and on rare occasions will post).
To be up front, I know some of the folks mentioned in this thread as well as nearly all the Poker Managers and Tournament Directors where these events are held. I manage the Poker Room and Sportsbook at the Horseshoe Tunica and know the players as such and have worked with just about everyone else. With that being said, I have a few things to contribute to this discussion.
1. As to the OP's post; It is perfectly acceptable to voice concerns you may have regarding what you believe is going on. I would have done it differently and never mentioned a person (or made it so obvious as to who I thought it was) by name without proof. I understand (better than most on here) how difficult it is to gather enough evidence to prove collusion, but a direct accusation should not be levied without it. Some of you may disagree with me on that point, but as someone that has spent time locked up for something they weren't even physically able to do and had to spend 10's of thousands of dollars and a year of his life to prove his innocence, my position can't be changed.
2. The TD's and Managers of the properties mentioned work very hard to protect their reputations and the reputations of the companies they work for (that includes myself). By casually mentioning that the staff MAY be involved, you have intentionally or unintentionally called into question their integrity and possibly put their livelihoods into jeopardy. Someone showing these accusations could cause one of them to be passed over for a job or refused a contract for a tournament with no evidence at all of any wrongdoing. In my opinion that is unconscionable.
3. I actually had a player voice concern to me that they believed Cody was dumping chips to other players with the whole going all-in in the dark thing. After reviewing this, I found that it happened whether one of his friends (I won't pretend to know everyone in his "stable") was at the table or not. He also declared to the registration people that he was doing so prior to his ticket being printed and prior to his seat being drawn. I myself registered him several times and that is exactly what he did. The weekend I reviewed, I never saw one instance of one of his friends benefitting from that particular "strategy". That doesn't mean anything regarding any other event, but I can say for sure what happened during that one. Now, I think there is a legitimate reason to look into re-entries being limited and would love to see that discussion elsewhere on here to see what players think. I've heard pros and cons, but in my experience making events freezeouts just doesn't draw a lot of interest; maybe there is a middle ground?
4. As to the dealer thing: I've been doing this for over 30 years and yes, there are card mechanics. They are not nearly as common as people seem to think, though. I've met two that I thought were very good. The rest (and some of them do cheating seminars for casinos) are barely passable as magicians. Only one I have seen was good enough to not have to bypass casino procedures. The rest have to circumvent procedures in order to get any kind of results. So, as players, knowing when a dealer circumvents procedure is a good way to protect yourself (pro tip). Which compels me to share this; a while back, none other than the accused, brought to my attention that a dealer may be stealing. Now if he was working with unscrupulous dealers, wouldn't it behoove him to confront that dealer and manipulate that dealer into doing his bidding? Again, not proof that he wouldn't do something unethical, but if unethical is his business model, he is not very good at it.
4(a). When it comes to dealers not following a rotation, I am with you 100%. It looks shady, period. I also don't like dealers locked in during a tournament. Not only does it look bad, but it is terrible to be at a table that is getting 6 hands every 30 minutes while some of the other tables are getting 20! I hope some players will speak up on this, because I argue with TDs all the time about not locking dealers in without a push (you know who you are, lol). Having said that, it is not always something notorious that is going on when dealers don't follow the rotation. In some cases, you have dealers that have to switch out because one of them can't (or won't) deal cash games, so the rotation gets juggled. Other times it is time for someone to get out, or they get an EO, so a different dealer replaces them. Any other reason is unacceptable, though, and a particular pet peeve of mine if you couldn't tell.
5. The TDs. The one that runs my Circuit Events as well as Cherokee is someone that I have known for over 25 years. I trust him with my reputation every time he comes in without any reservation whatsoever. I also hand-picked the Rungood TD that I use for their events because of his integrity and attention to detail (I believe he also does the St. Louis events, not positive on that). While I have not hosted a GCP tournament (yet?), I do know their TD and his crew. Nothing would lead me to believe that they would jeopardize their integrity or reputation in any way. If this stable of players have to cut in the dealers, floors, TDs, Poker Room Managers and pay each other; they would have to be winning a lot more money to make that +EV.
6. For those that think that it is really easy to take chips from tournament to tournament, a lot of people have thought that and many have been caught. We have safeguards in place, and it is not difficult to catch. I would recommend against.
Finally, nothing I've said here exonerates or convicts anyone. Just offering some food for thought and a different perspective. Most everyone that I have caught cheating and or stealing were people that I wouldn't have thought would do it. It is rare that it is someone that you suspect from the jump. I've seen the guys mentioned in this thread run phenomenally, and I've seen them run horrible. I don't claim to know what is in another man's heart. I do think it is wrong to accuse anyone without evidence (my personal belief). I also believe that we need to have constructive discussions in regard to the way things are done and how Poker and Poker Tournaments appear in order to safeguard the reputation of the game that many of you enjoy and a lot of us make a living offering.
Dan Higginbotham
Wow, this thread brings back memories of the old RGP days and the GCA threads if any of you have been around long enough to remember that. This is a new account, but I have had several here over the past 20 or so years, though my post count is probably still a lot lower than most of yours even if you add them all together (I lurk here for professional reasons and on rare occasions will post).
To be up front, I know some of the folks mentioned in this thread as well as nearly all the Poker Manage
You’ll never be Ross Carroll
Wow, this thread brings back memories of the old RGP days and the GCA threads if any of you have been around long enough to remember that. This is a new account, but I have had several here over the past 20 or so years, though my post count is probably still a lot lower than most of yours even if you add them all together (I lurk here for professional reasons and on rare occasions will post).
To be up front, I know some of the folks mentioned in this thread as well as nearly all the Poker Manage
Excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to articulate all of that in a thoughtful manner.
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6. For those that think that it is really easy to take chips from tournament to tournament, a lot of people have thought that and many have been caught. We have safeguards in place, and it is not difficult to catch. I would recommend against.
No one said it was easy or would be easy i just said it's possible, and I'm telling you I can tell you right not what chip shets will be used for about 6 tournaments next month, and those chip sets are also used for the nightly tournaments every day of the week when the series isn't in town.
Also I'm not much into listen to someone telling me that there are safe guards, I have personally be treated different than a know pro at a table during a circuit event. I had my phone on the rail it rang while I was in a hand I touched my phone to send the call to voice mail and the dealer told me if I did that again my hand would be dead. Then said pro comes to the table not an orbit later same dealer has a conversation with the pro like they are roommates and his phone rings while he has a hand and he literally picked up his phone took a call and the dealer looks at him after he hangs the phone up and say " you know you can't do that" and never says another word about.
I also have also had a TD all but scream at me to get out of the tournament area after a break because I forgot after going to the bathroom that they said to stay out of the area, all the while this same TD was having a conversation with a circuit pro while he was sitting in his chair at the table.
This is the normal things that I see happen at these events, pros and travelers are treated different than the normal reg player. Its even been made note of at WSOP Vegas events when we have all seen Phil Hellmuth do things that would get a normal player kicked out of Vegas and they do nothing to him.
"People love to try to beat me" That's called an ego and no one cares.
We know you did it. You know you did it. You'll never admit to it so it's pointless.
Calling out people with "evidence" is an interesting strategy when you know no one can prove it because no one can record in a casino without permission.
These other people chiming in to protect your stable is crazy. You got a good following clearly.
You are guilty and the results will show when the eyes are on you. You will be more secretive an
Why don’t you quit being a little bitch and say the name of the person who dumped the chips? Or the names of any of the witnesses you mentioned? Or the name of the person who “called him out”?
Pretty sure his name is Tanner not Donavan. Just search his username he plays it on every site and its his username across social media
Oddly his hendon shows 361k over 10 yrs, so roughly 36k a yr in cashes. Oof. He does fire a lot online and has had some good wsop.com cashes that arent included in the 361, but still kinda far from the person who should be talking down to others about their hendons. Esp bc pretty sure he at one point was traveling around firing series
I live in vegas and hardly travel to east coast and when I do just drink and have fun.
I have 1.25mil in online winnings including a 250k year of profit.
I have 2 bracelets and got headsup in another and ran deep in main.
I stopped needing $ and basically stopped working. Im waiting on the wsop site to add pennsylvania which is coming or the MGM site to open. Then I will actually return to grinding.
But hey my resume is real and anyone who knows me can vouch.
If a player is using 20 buy ins for a $400 event, are they benefiting from “gambling losses” placed against large winnings the eyes of the IRS? Is this possibly a way to “pay taxes on earnings” by an indirect method. This could, also benefit someone in the field by one of these blind all in’s doubling up a stablemate?
Dealers setting decks is comical. Nobody is setting decks. Now, are there other shady things going on? Very likely. But nothing you don’t find in any other tournament circuit. Guys putting horses in the tournament to accumulate chips to dump to them if/when their paths cross?? I’ve heard the rumors. I’ve seen a couple of questionable dumps from guys who run together. I’ve seen some questionable 3-bet folds, 4-bet folds, questionable squeezes. I’ve seen some possible whipsaws on some unsuspecting grandpas. Is any of this proof? No. But poker is the shadiest world known to man. If you think everything is on the up and up, you’re naive. But if you don’t have hard evidence you don’t have anything.
No one said it was easy or would be easy i just said it's possible, and I'm telling you I can tell you right not what chip shets will be used for about 6 tournaments next month, and those chip sets are also used for the nightly tournaments every day of the week when the series isn't in town.
Also I'm not much into listen to someone telling me that there are safe guards, I have personally be treated different than a know pro at a table during a circuit event. I had my phone on the rail it rang wh
I’m sowwy :(
Why don’t you quit being a little bitch and say the name of the person who dumped the chips? Or the names of any of the witnesses you mentioned? Or the name of the person who “called him out”?
It's been stated before already.
Flap knows who dumped him chips. They talked minutes after it happened because he left the table.
Dropping names does not help the case. There is no "evidence" other than what was watched and deliberated at the table when he left.
I have not said anything incorrect. Please read above before making dumb comments and trying to "protect" your friend.
It's been stated before already.
Flap knows who dumped him chips. They talked minutes after it happened because he left the table.
Dropping names does not help the case. There is no "evidence" other than what was watched and deliberated at the table when he left.
I have not said anything incorrect. Please read above before making dumb comments and trying to "protect" your friend.
No evidence and no reason to drop names after you threw someobe under the bus by naming them and speculating you and friends thought you saw something! Be better bro!
It's been stated before already.
Flap knows who dumped him chips. They talked minutes after it happened because he left the table.
Dropping names does not help the case. There is no "evidence" other than what was watched and deliberated at the table when he left.
I have not said anything incorrect. Please read above before making dumb comments and trying to "protect" your friend.
I read everything and there is no name mentioned. You dropped Preston’s name so why can’t you name the person who allegedly dumped to him? Aren’t they just as much of a cheater in the alleged situation? Or do you just have a thing for Preston?
If a player is using 20 buy ins for a $400 event, are they benefiting from “gambling losses” placed against large winnings the eyes of the IRS? Is this possibly a way to “pay taxes on earnings” by an indirect method. This could, also benefit someone in the field by one of these blind all in’s doubling up a stablemate?
Like I said earlier I think this is a joke and affects the integrity of the tournament. The TD above even said Cody told him in the past he was going to do this and he didn’t say anything about it.
I will give a recent example. I played a large event $1m guarantee recently with Ren Lin and he was doing this and bought in a bunch. A player that is a friend had him early at his table and doubled up from Ren when he went all in blind early in the tourney. My friend went on to win the tourney. Those chips helped propel him. Would he have won it otherwise without that early double? Who knows.
No evidence and no reason to drop names after you threw someobe under the bus by naming them and speculating you and friends thought you saw something! Be better bro!
Please enlighten me on how to get evidence next time.
I saw it. The table saw it. The dealer saw it.
We discussed it and that was it.
I didn't make this post and the fact that there's suspicion even furthers that we saw the chip dump to flap.
I read everything and there is no name mentioned. You dropped Preston’s name so why can’t you name the person who allegedly dumped to him? Aren’t they just as much of a cheater in the alleged situation? Or do you just have a thing for Preston?
It was a random out of town person. It was not a local.
No one at the table knew who he was.
We just saw flap walk away to talk to him.
Flap left for two levels and came back as the table broke after the incident.
Please enlighten me on how to get evidence next time.
I saw it. The table saw it. The dealer saw it.
We discussed it and that was it.
I didn't make this post and the fact that there's suspicion even furthers that we saw the chip dump to flap.
I didn't say its true or false but you named Preston which again is throwing him under the bus. You came to this thread did what you intended found a spot you could damn him and you did. You are feeling happy because you accomplished what you wanted, but diesnt make it right because you feel good right now!
It was a random out of town person. It was not a local.
No one at the table knew who he was.
We just saw flap walk away to talk to him.
Flap left for two levels and came back as the table broke after the incident.
So your theory is…? This alleged incident obviously has nothing to do with the stable if nobody knows who this guy is that dumped chips to him. How does this fit into the corrupt stable theory that everyone’s talking about?
