Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)

again, for the last time, i have never voted for trump nor would i ever vote for him

my own party is such a cult that any internal dissent gets insta labeled as someone who must be the enemy

Just pointing out that the maga "well, NOW it's a democracy because it wasn't stolen" folks are just tossing around the word because it's convenient right now.

And, yeah.

...I had to put up with four years of that eight years ago. :(

OK, then I'll respond a different way.

I simply cannot "toss the bums out" because a handful of people at best may or may not have benefitted from something here when the other side has blocked us from having affordable healthcare as long as I've been alive. I can't be so incensed with something that really barely affects anyone other than to piss them off when the thing that affects literally everyone won't get addressed. IMO, the republican party excels in this sort hate fueled obfuscation.

yeah, we gave him another chance. Although he's an idiot, he's learned a few things.

The difference is that if a “normal” political (Harris) doesn’t get their way, they follow the rules and norms that have been set out over that past 200+ years. If Trump doesn’t get his way, he will do ANYTHING to get his way (like Luciom).

We can survive bad policy (using tax $$ to cut off the ***** of trans illegals), but we cannot survive a monster like Trump running roughshod over our norms and institutions.

The long term health of the nation gets better (ironically enough) with vaccination.

Trump is the vaccine. Trump is a corrupted center left NY democrat with a penchant for freestyle marketing, terrible taste in clothes and food, good charisma (for cheap idiots), the poor people idea of what a rich person is someone said correctly.

He is very old, wants to play golf a lot, wants to be praised by his inner circle and the media more than he cares about achieving anything in general (except for a few topics he is actually interested in).

That's as easy as an autocrat can be to defeat. If your society doesn't have the antibodies to go over Trump cleanly, it doesn't deserve to survive in the first place.

Actual threat are different and infinitely more mischievous than a person who can talk 2 hours about sharks and electric engines of boats and how that means that Obama isn't american ok?

He is the boss of the level one dungeon in the dumbed down demo of "threats to democracy" , if you can't cope with it, you don't deserve to exist as a player in the game of power.

The "system" you care to protect has to be able to survive Trump with one hand behind the back while playing Tetris with the other, laughing through it.

And that's kinda what happened in 2016, and what I think will happen again.

You don't think that, that's an indictment of the system. How ****ing weak can you think the system is if a grotesque b movie badly written villain is an actual threat?

And btw who has the Senate is MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PRESIDENCY for the actual lives of actual Americans. You should study your system more. It's good

For citizenship. It should be completely illegal to the point of exile to ever do that.

It's incredible even to discuss it

Can you walk me through how exactly the federal government is preventing democrat controlled states for doing healthcare like France does?

millions of illegals is a "handful of people" now? this is the exact refusal to accept reality that dunyain so kindly highlighted has pushed people out of the party

you can disagree with how to handle it, but when you refuse to acknowledge the existence of widespread illegal immigration then there's no ground for you to stand upon and people will flock to the person who may have horrible plans for it, but does acknowledge it

imagine your roof leaks every time it rains, perhaps deciding to just wing it and fix it yourself isn't going to work and could do additional damage, but it's certainly a better option than just telling everyone living in the house that they are imagining the water droplets that fall from the ceiling every time it rains

I’m confused what the point of separate trump threads is if luciom is here

For the record, Shay's rebellion wasn't "the last time a group of americans thought a law was unjust and refused to take part in it."

Get rid of Victor?

bigger you are denying that Biden, unlike Obama, massively increased the problem.

he also took in people "semi-legally" en masse abusing TPS

I'm in favor of good solid legislation that allows those that want to come here a way to do it with sufficient checjs and a path to citizenship for those here who have proven to be good citizens. If you want quotas on numbers, fine. I have no issue getting rid of criminals. And, Im not in favor of any president changing the rules on the fly.

The root of the problem is and has always been congress' refusal to tackle the problem.

Now, now. You can't call them "illegals" anymore. They are simply migrants following herds up and down the continent without regard for borders (that shouldn't be there anyway).

Looks like doj has started a purge. I can't believe it took this long. Apparently they are asking for documents. Im guessing they'll conveniently disappear. Sieg heil.

to be clear Biden didn't change the rules. he just abused them (legally). he let a monstrous quantity of completely unfiltered immigrants in from utterly **** holes countries under the excuse that those countries were bad. as if a moral mandate to take in people randomly from bad countries existed.

it was technically legal. congress wrote the law badly allowing too much freedom to the president (if you like me think non-delegatiom is the law, that would be unconstitutional, but the scholars opinion for now is that it is allowed).

but at the end, he basically opened the border for millions of extra people vs what any other previous president including Obama did.

trump will send back most of them (perhaps he would keep in people fleeing from communism, we'll see) . it will be a good thing when Haitians and Guatemalas who were allowed in "just because" are sent home, and only people good for the american economy and society are allowed in.

congress isn't REFUSING to tackle the problem btw. Congress can't find 60 senators agreeing on any compromise, because what is proper for republicans isn't proper for democrats and viceversa.

you like many/most Americans would agree to a republican leaning compromise. but you probably haven't followed how crazy pro open -border democrat senators (with very few exceptions, not enough to pass the filibuster, like Fetterman) are.

you might hate the filibuster. many Americans do. from outside, I love it. I think it's one of the pillars of your democratic system. 50 senators + a VP shouldn't be allowed to change the country too much. a qualified majority for major changes is a very very good idea.

it can mean no change happens. sometimes that can feel bad. it is bad. but the alternative is worse

Looks like DOJ has now begun targeting the Jan 6 committee

Off we go

We cant have any weaponization, amirite?

they all have pardons

I smell an eo revoking prior pardons.

and courts lolling at that like they did to the EO removing birthright citizenship from children of legal temporary immigrants

Project 2025 officially entering the scene .