Science Thread (now with 100% less religion)
The old science thread seems to have gotten locked, not sure what the rules are but I thought we could try again.
Prett
Yeah I think an alien civilization would have to be so incredibly advanced that they look at us like fungus or something to just ignore us. I believe that would imply that advanced technology is fairly common (like a bell curve). At some point advanced tech being common and life being common = we should have made alien contact by now.
And of course, we may have. Seems fairly unlikely, but certainly possible
People tend to assume that visiting places like Earth would be a high priority for an alien intelligence. That isn't obvious to me at all. As far as we know, Earth doesn't have any resources that are truly scarce in the universe. Yes, we have biodiversity that is unprecedented, at least insofar as we have been able to observe, but there is no reason to believe that access to
It'sa decent answer imo but it's far (too put it incredibly mildly) worse than that. The whole 'real' universe is incredibly dull once you've done a bit compared to the infinitely vaster and more interesting 'virtual' universe.
We're a bit like people sitting on what we think is a 2d random walk path arguing there can't be any moving pieces out there as none have been seen when it's actually n dimensional and they almost certainly ain't ever coming into view even though there's mega loads of them.
Well, if an advanced human civilization detected possible life 45 light years away, they would probably be extremely interested no matter what; simply for curiosity reasons. And if they weren't curious in the first place, they probably wouldn't have been searching anyways.You have this built in assumption that aliens wouldn't be curious for the sake of being curious. Which is
Just because you are curious doesn't mean you are willing to expend immense resources to satisfy your curiousity.
It'sa decent answer imo but it's far (too put it incredibly mildly) worse than that. The whole 'real' universe is incredibly dull once you've done a bit compared to the infinitely vaster and more interesting 'virtual' universe.We're a bit like people sitting on what we think is a 2d random walk path arguing there can't be any moving pieces out there as none have been seen when
Bolded is one of the reasons why the game of visiting a distant planet might not be worth the candle for an alien civilization.
There's still the big question of whether reality can be simulated. If it can then a sufficiently advanced civilisations will be be gods. That's why us being in a simulations has become a topic among scientists and I like to think we are in some long disgarded childs sim toy gathering dust on a shelf.
Also raises the intriging (to me) possibility that there are advanced civilasations out there that long predate us but haven't been created yet. (i leave that thought to amuse d2)
It’d be terribly funny if there were actually an entire galactic community we don’t know about bc higher intelligences are currently treating us like North Sentinel Island and all agree we should remain uncontacted due to our primitive and aggressive behavior.
50 million light year exclusion zone around earth 👍
One of the guys I work with runs a couple of programs that are classified but based on where the programs are located, and who works on the programs, our best guess is that they work on satellites and at least one of the projects has AI applicability.
The theory is that they are developing AI LLMs to embed into satellites to send off to deep corners of the universe
This conversation coincidentally came up organically last Friday with him and another guy.
His theory is that life is everywhere and through that there are probably many advanced civilizations but 150 years is similar to a second on the grand scale of things and the overlap of civilizations across trillions of years becomes less likely. He'd probably prescribe to a galactic exclusion zone over the dark forest. We only had like 10 minutes for 3 opinionated people to opine so couldn't dig into it too much but the timing was interesting considering this thread.
exclusion zone with a prime directive. What a novel idea.
I'm also in the life is probably common as muck camp. I amuse myself using bayes theorem on the 'we're special in some way' probability space
exclusion zone with a prime directive. What a novel idea.
I'm also in the life is probably common as muck camp. I amuse myself using bayes theorem on the 'we're special in some way' probability space
Life being common obviously doesn't answer the question of how common technological intelligence is.
Life being common obviously doesn't answer the question of how common technological intelligence is.
They are related. We discussed this in some length in the old days. Complexity of life tends to increase and the jump to technological is relatively small. Even the vast majorioty fail to make it, a large number will.
They are related. We discussed this in some length in the old days. Complexity of life tends to increase and the jump to technological is relatively small. Even the vast majorioty fail to make it, a large number will.
There are a lot of people who don't think that evolutionary forces favor the eventual development of life as intelligent as humans.
It may not. It doesn't need to. Can be a mega massive underdog and there will still be loads of it.
Fermi paradox yet again."Intelligence is super hard" seems less and less likely given among other things AI development proving it kinda emerges from large datasets with enough compute applied.Any great filter hypothesis that requires exctintcion soon after intelligence arises seems a little too self-obsessed. Yes humans have shown a proclivity to self destruction that might ma
No singular answer to the fermi paradox, too many variables.
Too far away, don't use radio, aren't technologically advanced enough, have no desire to communicate, have no desire to colonise or even explore, we're the only life or intelligent life, we're not technologically advanced enough to recognise messages/technosignatures from other intelligent life etc etc.
Surprise this actually still rages on in one form or another as Fermi was pretty assumptive as to how intelligent aliens would behave anyhow.
And space is so vast that there wouldn't be any need for a dark forest stance anyway. Oh noes, another civilisation that's 750 million light years away might become aware of us, whatever will we do?! I mean seriously?
No singular answer to the fermi paradox, too many variables.Too far away, don't use radio, aren't technologically advanced enough, have no desire to communicate, have no desire to colonise or even explore, we're the only life or intelligent life, we're not technologically advanced enough to recognise messages/technosignatures from other intelligent life etc etc.Surprise this ac
Does anyone think there is a single filter?
100% less religion please
The idea that life’s full actualization (distant space travel) occurs solely through paradigm shifting leaps in technological advancement is false.
Life’s full actualization and paradigm shifting leaps in technological advancement are both dependent on full human actualization.
The aliens who pass through this great filter will also be fully human and our future relationship with them will deepen our understanding of what a human is.
The idea that life’s full actualization (distant space travel) occurs solely through paradigm shifting leaps in technological advancement is false.
Life’s full actualization and paradigm shifting leaps in technological advancement are both dependent on full human actualization.
Oh my, life's full actualization and paradigm shifting. Are you actually parodying Rococo's parodies now?
If you're going for dotcom speak, you got the paradigm shifting, but you forgot the strategic leveraging of synergistic potential in symbiotic partnerships.
Oh my, life's full actualization and paradigm shifting. Are you actually parodying Rococo's parodies now?
If you're going for dotcom speak, you got the paradigm shifting, but you forgot the strategic leveraging of synergistic potential in symbiotic partnerships.
Restate my view in the language of a striver dot-com bro.
Grok:
Yo, listen up! The Great Filter ain't just about flexing next-level tech to yeet ourselves to Mars or some exoplanet. Nah, that’s small brain energy. To crush the Filter and unlock galactic domination, we gotta level up to peak human mode—full-on actualization, bro! Think maxed-out mindset, jacked-up collaboration, and straight-up owning our potential. No weak vibes allowed.
The aliens who slay this Filter? They’re gonna be the ultimate human MVPs, not some weird tentacle squad. They’re us, but on god-mode, showing us what’s possible when you grind to 100% human-ness. Linking up with these cosmic bros is gonna be the ultimate life hack, dropping knowledge bombs that redefine what it means to be a top-tier human. Let’s get after it and pass that Filter, fam! ����
Or
Spoiler
The Great Filter hypothesis posits a formidable barrier to achieving advanced interstellar capabilities, but the prevailing notion that it hinges solely on disruptive technological innovation is misguided. Instead, the strategic leveraging of synergistic potential—through the full actualization of human capacity—is the critical driver of both transformative technological breakthroughs and the realization of life’s cosmic potential.
To transcend the Filter, humanity must optimize its collective intellectual, emotional, and ethical frameworks, fostering a state of holistic actualization. Extraterrestrial civilizations that successfully navigate this barrier will embody a universal archetype of "humanity," reflecting fully realized potential in their societal and cognitive architectures. Establishing symbiotic partnerships with these advanced entities will catalyze profound insights, enabling a recalibration of our understanding of human identity and potential through the lens of cosmic collaboration. This integrated approach—melding internal actualization with external exploration—positions humanity to strategically overcome the Filter and unlock its interstellar destiny.
I think the AI you are using might be a little confused as to what dotcom speak is. It seems to think that dotcom speak is the same as "some surfer named Chad" speak.
Not sure how others think but there's been five major extinction events that we know of. Each of these could have been our great filter, which we survived. Or¹maybe there's another filter to come assuming the great filter is actually true.
Just to clarify did you mean to type singular filter or answer?
Not sure how others think but there's been five major extinction events that we know of. Each of these could have been our great filter, which we survived. Or¹maybe there's another filter to come assuming the great filter is actually true.
Just to clarify did you mean to type singular filter or answer?
My point was that almost everyone agrees with you that there are multiple filters on the way to technological life.
