Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
Bigotry against religious folks as a whole is unfortunately common in Politics Forums.
However, most of them must already live in fear (of their cruel overlord god).
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
Which, even if true, is irrelevant to my post.
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
No, you've chosen to live in fear. You don't have to be fearful. You're about a million times more likely to die in a car wreck than a terrorist crashing a plane into your house. So, I assume you never drive a car either.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
I think all acts of terrorism should be categorically condemned and the perpetrators of such should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, when possible.
Not sure what any of this has to do with this Forum, though.
However, most of them must already live in fear (of their cruel overlord god).
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
You've really lived in fear for ~25 years because of a freak event? I hate to use the word pussy but...
However, most of them must already live in fear (of their cruel overlord god).
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
Muslims crashed a plane into the biggest of buildings near my house, and I certainly don't live in daily fear of terror attacks. Maybe you are different, and I obviously will admit that you the world's leading expert on your own state of mind.
In any case, it's hard to see how a terror attack justifies inducing fear and terror in a civilian population as a goal in and of itself.
At best, it is a unfortunate consequence of an action that you feel like you have to take to safeguard your own population.
I think I see what the misunderstanding is. rob seems to believe that Muslim is a country where the population fully support acts of terrorism against the US and its allies, justifying (in his eyes) the pursuit of policies designed to make them live in constant fear.
TLDR summary of the previous several posts -
Americans who live in fear of Muslim terrorist attacks have no reason to feel that way and are pussies, but it's terrible for civilians in Muslim countries to have to live in fear of actions taken by the US.
I think I see what the misunderstanding is. rob seems to believe that Muslim is a country where the population fully support acts of terrorism against the US and its allies, justifying (in his eyes) the pursuit of policies designed to make them live in constant fear.
I certainly don't believe that "Muslim is a country", but I certainly believe that the bolded is true for the vast majority of the world Muslim population. And as for those who do not support the acts of terrorism, they're not following their own creed.
However, most of them must already live in fear (of their cruel overlord god).
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
Wrong+wrong=right? A bunch of whackadoo extremists did that. Not "Muslims" with the implication that the other 1.5 billion Muslims deserve anything that comes to them. It would indeed be pretty terrible if all Muslims were made to live in fear.
TLDR summary of the previous several posts -
Americans who live in fear of Muslim terrorist attacks have no reason to feel that way and are pussies,
If you are more fearful of a Muslim terrorist attack than of getting killed in an automobile accident, then you have a broken fear-detector imo.
but it's terrible for civilians in Muslim countries to have to live in fear of actions taken by the US.
I want supporters of evil actors to not be able to sleep at night.
I wasn't asking you, dumbass. I was asking rob. I thought he lives in New York City? Rob, are you just terrified every single day?
Huh???????
I was augmenting your point by saying that Muslim's (as a group) are not to be feared.
Interesting that you only quoted the first sentence of my brief post.
Anyway, keep on trollin'!!
However, most of them must already live in fear (of their cruel overlord god).
I've had to live in fear ever since Muslims crashed an airplane into a large building near my house.
Appropriate, since that was the intended goal. All the fatwas, bombings, etc carried out by Muslims have the same goal. But we're supposed to think it's terrible if they also are made to live in fear?
The civilian Muslim population we are referring to did not crash an airplane into that building.
TLDR summary of the previous several posts -
Americans who live in fear of Muslim terrorist attacks have no reason to feel that way and are pussies, but it's terrible for civilians in Muslim countries to have to live in fear of actions taken by the US.
That’s right, because the US and its allies keep bombing the **** out of them.
TLDR summary of the previous several posts -
Americans who live in fear of Muslim terrorist attacks have no reason to feel that way and are pussies, but it's terrible for civilians in Muslim countries to have to live in fear of actions taken by the US.
I don't think this is a fair characterization. The natural reaction of a civilian population to an attack is fear. For most people, the fear is most intense at the time of the violence and disappates over time. That's why people were expressing amazement that you felt afraid 25 years later. But whether your experience is typical or atypical is really beside the point.
Inducing fear in a civilian religious population is not a justifiable goal in and of itself, whether the fear lasts five minutes, five weeks, five years, or five centuries. It is a negative consequence of an action that may or may be justified under the circumstances taking all relevant factors into account.
Bigotry against religious folks as a whole is unfortunately common in Politics Forums.
Christianity certainly gets tackled a fair bit, but usually that is reserved for its more regressive factions with fundamentalist beliefs.
Of course, Islam also also has plenty of regressive factions with fundamentalist beliefs. Yet, there is no denying that there certainly exist a very specific type of progressive where if you bring up regressive factions in Christianity, they will nod and agree with you, yet if you bring up regressive factions in Islam, they will assume you are a bigot.
In their defense, it is a point often brought up by bigots, so some suspicion is warranted. However, it is still a politically relevant observation that should concern progressives.
of the muslim countries i've lived within, only the turks were chill and i'm guessing it's because they aren't devout (they drink alcohol) and they're europe adjacent so get a lot of competing ideology thrown their way
embracing islam was always more of a means to end for them historically as well - embrace islam and became the soldier caste of this muslim nation and within a generation or two leverage fact you are the dominant military force and overthrow those in power
this is why today about 75% of turks identify as turkish but if you do genetic testing it reveals that it was primarily assimilation as only 10-15% have turkish genetics
syrians and lebanese were also pretty chill but a very limited sample of refugees so who knows
the rest were extremely closed off, hateful, and tribalistic and would use any excuse to try to rip me off or assault me simply because i wasn't one of them
one of the biggest trump cards i held in egypt was telling anyone who started being a dick that jerry seinfeld is jewish because they love that show and being told one of their idols is an evil jew literally breaks them - they would often storm off in anger after loudly proclaiming it was impossible
although i'm northern euro genetically, i look very arabic so could blend in very well when not accompanied by friends/gf etc and the way i was treated when hanging out with obvious outsiders vs blending in by myself was astoundingly different
i think a lot of the people who make the purely idiotic "everybody love everybody" has never spent much time on the other side and knows that any ideology will never be matched and it'll only go one way
Instagram is always showing me these "cats of Istanbul" videos which makes it seem like a really nice place
