Gun control
I think that the Gun control thread got lost when the old politics thread got moved.
1 The rest of the world looks at the
First time I've heard "gun suicides save lives"
2a people will literally say anything other than "maybe we should have less guns"
Before someone makes dumb assumptions, I have a conceal and carry
I don't own a gun and have no desire to obtain one. We literally handed out Glocks at the company Christmas party in 2019, which was held at a firing range in Mequon. I opted for cash.
If I weren't a giant, maybe I'd feel a stronger desire to carry given where I live. I just mind my own business and assume people won't intentionally start **** with an ogre.
We don't have too many guns overall. We have too many guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you can figure out how to solve the latter without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens to participate in their weird fetish hobby of hoarding firearms, I'm all ears. So far, it seems that the laws we pass only affect the people who aren't contributing to the problem of gun violence.
Suicides aren't homicides in the way the public considers them for purposes of analyzing stats, DUCY?
When you say "the public" you mean reetarded gun nuts, eh?
You said: "...the ones responsible for most of the deaths are already barred from possessing firearms," but now you're goalpost shifting and removing 60% of gun deaths from the equation for some bullshit you made up about the public.
Dishonest much?
No, I think if you asked 100 people if they would lump suicides and homicides into the same category, a vast majority of them would say no.
Suicides are homicides in legal terms, but when homicide is brought up in media, it's typically connected to a multi-party situation.
The US Congress is not going to significantly reduce firearms.
Guns provide too much useful distraction and fear in the form of occasional mass killings in public places. That fear discourages people from engaging in vigorous protest in public places.
Deregulation is a means of silencing the public and good cover if they ever want to remove an undesirable voice. Just send some hit man out and wipe out the undesirable person with a handful of others and no one will ever know that it was a targeted assassination. Pin it on some nutjob and move along.
How many black helicopters are following you at this exact moment?
No, I think if you asked 100 people if they would lump suicides and homicides into the same category, a vast majority of them would say no.
Suicides are homicides in legal terms, but when homicide is brought up in media, it's typically connected to a multi-party situation.
Now you're playing semantics? You literally said gun deaths. That's inclusive of any kind of death by way of a gun being discharged.
I don't think there is a person in America that would consider a suicide by gun to not be a gun death.
But hey, you're the same guys who think a dude being choked out for 9 minutes was a fentanyl overdose, so I guess ya never know.
Merry Christmas, here's a gun!
I don't own a gun and have no desire to obtain one. We literally handed out Glocks at the company Christmas party in 2019, which was held at a firing range in Mequon. I opted for cash.If I weren't a giant, maybe I'd feel a stronger desire to carry given where I live. I just mind my own business and assume people won't intentionally start **** with an ogre.We don't have too m
We have too many “drivers under influence” who shouldnt be driving .
If you could figure out how to solve the latter without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens to participate in the word fetish hobby of “driving under influence with only 1 or 2 drinks” , I’m all ears.
One is acceptable that all have their “rights being infringed” while the other isn’t for I dunno what ever “logical” reason it shouldnt .
Better than a ham and a pat on the back, no?
The presents around here are always a little weird. Last year one of the options was a $2500 bottle of some sort of fancy whisky. That wasn't the only choice, but they were all pretty love it or hate it. I donated my gift ticket to one of the carpenters. I think he used it on a lavish Brewers ticket package.
Maybe this year I'll convince him that a RTX 5090 is a perfectly reasonable gift to offer up to the group. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one around here who can successfully install a printer on a PC.
Arguably better than poisoning other people in their apartment building by burning pesticides or traumatizing some random truck driver or train conductor.
If you agree to outlaw alcohol, which does orders of magnitude more harm than guns do, I'll consider signing on to the buddy bill that also bans guns. Sometimes it's not about being right, it's about compromise, and that seems like a fair one to me.
why do the helicopters have to be black?
Arguably better than poisoning other people in their apartment building by burning pesticides or traumatizing some random truck driver or train conductor.If you agree to outlaw alcohol, which does orders of magnitude more harm than guns do, I'll consider signing on to the buddy bill that also bans guns. Sometimes it's not about being right, it's about compromise, and that seem
Who advocate to outlaw alcohol or guns ?
I hate to break it to you, but you're either reetarded or you're spreading disinformation. Almost 60% of gun deaths per year are suicides. So yeah, if a kid grabs his parents' handgun and ice's his or her head off or smokes his or her younger sibling by accident or on purpose, then that was a prohibitive person using a firearm. But the majority of suicide deaths are by the elde
Yeah gun suicides are a serious issue and will likely continue to rise but Inso is making a point that I don't think a lot of people want to accept or cant because it isn't effective.
When 89% of people who were sentenced federally for gun offenses had already been legally prohibited from owning a firearm, we cant just blame it on the kids getting the guns when the kids would represent virtually none of that group for clear legal and prosecutorial reasons.
Sure, you can argue that it’s too easy for someone like Billy to get a gun from Bob, because guns are everywhere but the reality is that a small percentage of offenders are committing and recommitting multiple crimes until they get got that are responsible for a disproportionate share of gun vcrime.
... Who knows what the numbers are at on the state level combined but I doubt it would drop it very much.
We can easily fix the gun problem. All it takes is a society that wants to fix the gun problem.
We can easily fix the gun problem. All it takes is a society that wants to fix the gun problem.
Explain how.
I've read this gun thread on 22 for almost 2 decades and its been the same stupid **** that either goes to your second sentence of not being able to either get community or legislative approval, or wouldn't actually fix the problem and is just flexing. Tapping your shoes and saying that other countries have solved this problem for the nth time wasn't ever going to actually work.
Yeah gun suicides are a serious issue and will likely continue to rise but Inso is making a point that I don't think a lot of people want to accept or cant because it isn't effective. When 89% of people who were sentenced federally for gun offenses had already been legally prohibited from owning a firearm, we cant just blame it on the kids getting the guns when the kids would
The reasons for this are unrelated to and not directly linked to the proportion of gun crimes committed by “a small percentage of offenders.” Federal courts don’t have jurisdiction over most major crimes. So, you’re already dealing with a slice of gun offenses when we’re talking about federal cases.
Then, most federal gun offenses are tag along charges, for example where a drug trafficker is being prosecuted but also had a gun. And those people are often prohibited persons because they’re on probation for a previous offense or whatnot. So, your set of federal cases, which is already a slice of total offenses, is also skewed toward scenarios involving repeat offenders.
A very small portion of federal cases are straight up ATF-type cases where someone is being prosecuted exclusively for a firearm-related offense.
And also when I say they don’t have jurisdiction, I don’t mean to invite pedantry over whether the USAO could assert jurisdiction over any crime with a gun using an interstate nexus argument. As a practical matter, most major crimes are prosecuted at the state level.
Being in possession of a gun while restricted from possessing a gun is a federal charge in of itself so it’s kind of leading into itself.
Explain how. I've read this gun thread on 22 for almost 2 decades and its been the same stupid **** that either goes to your second sentence of not being able to either get community or legislative approval, or wouldn't actually fix the problem and is just flexing. Tapping your shoes and saying that other countries have solved this problem for the nth time wasn't ever going
It's a comment on our society. Our society has a love affair with guns. If tomorrow all of us decided we wanted to do something about it, something would get done about it.
Yeah gun suicides are a serious issue and will likely continue to rise but Inso is making a point that I don't think a lot of people want to accept or cant because it isn't effective. When 89% of people who were sentenced federally for gun offenses had already been legally prohibited from owning a firearm, we cant just blame it on the kids getting the guns when the kids would
Don't the feds have like a 97 or 98% conviction rate? In other words, if you're being charged federally, your ass is very likely getting convicted, but it sounds like you're presenting that stat as if 89% of people with a gun offense are prohibited persons.
I realize that's probably not your intention, but 7700 federal gun convictions, of which 89% were prohibited persons, when there were 49K deaths that same year doesn't tell the whole story.
But yeah, violent criminals use guns. It's a pretty good strategy if you're a violent criminal. And yes, guns and rifles in a trained person's hands are the best defense against a violent criminal in your home. Not sure why when someone brings up any hint of something that could be construed as a whisper of gun control that people think the other people don't understand those two truths.
