Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
haha perfect
Yes we are well aware that 2nd wave feminists and fascists get on quite well CN because they have similar Manichean visions of gender.
/hj
It’s a good reminder when conservatives trot out the death penalty for rapists/child molesters talking point and get agreement from the left that the means endorsed by both groups are similar, they just disagree on the targets.
this is the biggest conservative virtue signal because you’re the same people that accuse every woman of making a false rape allegation.imagine how much harder it would be for victims to come forward if they also had to deal with the guilt of being responsible for someone else’s death in addition to being raped? it’s just a stupid idea that even arch-conservat
I don't accuse "every woman of making a false rape allegation".
I just want crimes proven before doling out penalties and in general an accusation without confirmation should carry no weight.
Btw men can be victims of rape as well.
And in a decent culture a victim of rape would be happy to know his rapist gets assassinated legally by the state, very happy. Her family and friends as well. All society actually.
Yes we are well aware that 2nd wave feminists and fascists get on quite well CN because they have similar Manichean visions of gender.
/hj
Death penalty for rape isn't fascism.
Fascism actually had "reparatory marriage" ffs. The rapist had to marry the raped woman and all was good.
Do you even know what you talk about?
Death penalty for rape was what most societies did for most of history
Death penalty for rape isn't fascism.
Fascism actually had "reparatory marriage" ffs. The rapist had to marry the raped woman and all was good.
Do you even know what you talk about?
Death penalty for rape was what most societies did for most of history
hj is half joking
I know you’re not a fascist, but they think you are, so I was employing rhetoric to get them to rethink their positions.
and no, I don’t know the ideological intricacies of fascism, thanks. I’m sure you’ve done a lot of studying on it.
hj is half joking
I know you’re not a fascist, but they think you are, so I was employing rhetoric to get them to rethink their positions.
and no, I don’t know the ideological intricacies of fascism, thanks. I’m sure you’ve done a lot of studying on it.
Yes I studied the enemy a lot.
Anyway you can Google it I am not making it up
Btw this means that antifascism requires to be in favour of the death penalty for the rapist (or at the very least life no parole) while being in favor of full rehabilitation with some conditions is, actually, quite literally fascist.
Yes I studied the enemy a lot.Anyway you can Google it I am not making it up Btw this means that antifascism requires to be in favour of the death penalty for the rapist (or at the very least life no parole) while being in favor of full rehabilitation with some conditions is, actually, quite literally fascist.
There’s no way you think that’s a logical entailment
Rapists getting the death penalty would certainly solve the biggest problem we have in this country right now.
(cue the pedants bleating on about the difference between civil and criminal as if we don't know)
You sound like a Stalinist. But I don't think you have the heart to execute your precious Democrats.
this is the biggest conservative virtue signal because you’re the same people that accuse every woman of making a false rape allegation.imagine how much harder it would be for victims to come forward if they also had to deal with the guilt of being responsible for someone else’s death in addition to being raped? it’s just a stupid idea that even arch-conservative tough on crime
You think a girl who is raped is gonna feel bad that the guy who raped her is put to death?
You think a girl who is raped is gonna feel bad that the guy who raped her is put to death?
Idk if people know this but women tend to get raped by people they know, and often have mixed feelings about their rapists. Or some may be opposed to the death penalty in general. So yes, it is absolutely not a given that this will be received positively. Also, since the stakes will be so much higher, they will face that much more social incredulity, and if they lose their case they could be portrayed as an attempted murderer even if the person just got off on reasonable doubt alone.
Counterpoint:
Which historical society that had death penalty for rape would you like to live in today over 21st century Western society?
These are the countries that currently have the death penalty for rape, and for what circumstances. As you can see, these countries are generally a pile of suck. As a general rule, if you have a policy idea, and every real world example that implements said idea is a sucky country; maybe that is a reason to re-evaluate how compatible this policy idea is with values of a society one would actually want to live in.
China: The death penalty is a possible punishment for rape in China.
Afghanistan: Rapists may be shot or hanged to death, with punishment potentially occurring within days.
United Arab Emirates: Under UAE law, coerced sex with a woman is punishable by death, with coercion presumed if the victim is under 14.
Egypt: Rape can be punishable by death by hanging.
Iran: Rape is punishable by death, often by hanging, with the possibility of substitution with compensation in some cases.
Saudi Arabia: The punishment for rape, under Sharia law, can include beheading.
Pakistan: Gang rape, child sexual abuse, and rape can be punishable by death.
North Korea: Rapists can be sentenced to death by firing squad.
India: While the death penalty is not always applied, it's a possibility in severe cases, such as rape of minors, repeat offenders, or if the victim dies or enters a vegetative state.
Japan: The death penalty can be applied in cases of fatal rape committed during another crime like robbery.
Bangladesh: Following public protests, the government approved measures to allow the death penalty for rape convictions.
Cuba: The death penalty applies to repeat offenders, cases resulting in serious injury, or rape of a child under 12.
As a general rule of thumb, I find a pretty good heuristic for deciding if a specific societal norm or policy is good or not; is to look to the IRGC (Iran), and do the opposite. ESPECIALLY when most, if not all, of the civilized world does the opposite.
So given Iran does the death penalty for rape, and the civilized world does not, all else being equal I would say death penalty should not be applied for rape.
My personal stance is that it is always wrong to take a sentient human life except in self-defense. I admit sometimes it feels difficult to stick to that principle, and rape is one of those cases.
Counterpoint:Which historical society that had death penalty for rape would you like to live in today over 21st century Western society? These are the countries that currently have the death penalty for rape, and for what circumstances. As you can see, these countries are generally a pile of suck. As a general rule, if you have a policy idea, and every real world example that
All this research on the punishment for rape probably put you on a watchlist. The good news is it may lead to position in Trump's Cabinet.
Counterpoint:Which historical society that had death penalty for rape would you like to live in today over 21st century Western society? These are the countries that currently have the death penalty for rape, and for what circumstances. As you can see, these countries are generally a pile of suck. As a general rule, if you have a policy idea, and every real world example that
I'd like to know what percentage of crimes are rape in these countries. The threat of death must deter a big chunk of this happening. That being said, it probably increases the murder rate since a rapist can't leave the girl alive.
I'd like to know what percentage of crimes are rape in these countries. The threat of death must deter a big chunk of this happening. That being said, it probably increases the murder rate since a rapist can't leave the girl alive.
Actually, in a lot of these countries (the MENA ones mainly) have a large amount of sexual assault; but it is never reported as even if the rapist would be punished; often the victim would be killed by her male relatives to avenge their family honor and/or punished herself legally for having sex out of wedlock.
In many of these countries there is very much an attitude of you get what you deserve for putting yourself in a position to be raped. Egypt specifically is known for mass sexual assaults termed 'the circle of hell', where large groups of men surround women in the streets and sexually assault them en masse.
Actually, in a lot of these countries (the MENA ones mainly) have a large amount of sexual assault; but it is never reported as even if the rapist would be punished; often the victim would be killed by her male relatives to avenge their family honor and/or punished herself legally for having sex out of wedlock. In many of these countries there is very much an attitude of you g
Somehow there are people who stick up for these creepy countries.
luc i think there's a lot of merit in your posts - if you look at the data of online dating it's very clearmen view things more in the bigger picture - their ratings of females follow a typical bell curve whereas for women it's skewed heavily a woman who is exactly at the 80 percentile overall attractiveness is a firm yes for nearly all the men as she's firmly in the hot side o
I just skimmed this so apologies if some of this is redundant
I was listening to psychologists talk about this a couple years ago. From memory so the exact numbers might be off but it's something like 80% of women are looking at the top 20% of men. The other 80% of men are competing for the bottom 20% of women. These numbers, the popularity of dating apps, and feminists and society pushing/normalizing a "sexual revolution" for women or whatever has a few consequences
The top 20% of men don't need to commit. They have a revolving door of easily available women a swipe away. The women who get passed around and no commitment aren't happy, regardless of whatever feminist theory had theorized/concluded.
Historically 80% of women and 40% of men have successfully reproduced. I think this supports the data and conclusions being made from dating apps
