donkshove nutflushdraw on broadway flop threeway?
I complete in the big with A6s having around 10 bigs. We see the flop threeway with two average recs / regs in midpositions.
on the king high broadway flop we hold the nutflushdraw.
Donkshove for our stack which is around pot, or go into another line?
If I donkshoved flop I would have definitely avoided complex decisions on later streets, and maybe that's the most important reason already
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Donk-shoving three ways is better than heads up because it's more likely to check through, so I wouldn't mind it.
Shoving the turn is better than check/calling 30% of your stack when you're unlikely to be ahead.
I'm confused. You have juat over 6bb to start the hand? Shove pre if that's so.
10 bigs
25k to start? And bb is 4k? I'm trying to read these silly gg hh.
to the 25k that Ive left after the hand you have to add the chips I put into the pot in the hand, so the sum of all the yellow lines in blinds / preflop / flop / turn / river columns
I like the shove for about pot. Seems like by far the best play.
If you call to shove the flop then shove the flop if you connect to it, especially like this. I sometimes do this too with 10-12bb, but it has to be executed fully. Call then shove. If you let them bet they will become pot committed and your plan will fail. It’s always better to win smaller pot without showdown than to be left on the river with A high
Look at this from other point of view - you shouldn’t be calling here pre this deep without the intent to steal the pot asap. If you did and landed lucky otf, snap jam. Jamming pre is what I did a lot earlier but I wouldn’t do now, you don’t cover any pocket pairs you Get called with, same with Ax, people r/c with A8-A9 nowadays. I’d only jam pre if it was limped
I would donk lead out here for 2/3 pot or something strong - you can fold out a lot of their equity by leading, and even if they have top pair we still have a lot of outs. Had you done that here 66 would of folded and you would of won the hand.
I would donk lead out here for 2/3 pot or something strong - you can fold out a lot of their equity by leading, and even if they have top pair we still have a lot of outs. Had you done that here 66 would of folded and you would of won the hand.
2/3 of pot is 20k. He has 36k left otf and no flush yet. Shove is the only option here. The aim of that move is to make others fold. He has A high otf, draw is a draw. Showdown is What we should avoid with this stack to pot ratio in tournaments.
2/3 of pot is 20k. He has 36k left otf and no flush yet. Shove is the only option here. The aim of that move is to make others fold. He has A high otf, draw is a draw. Showdown is What we should avoid with this stack to pot ratio in tournaments.
betting half pot looks stronger than shoving and that's ultimately the goal(folding out hands with good equity)
Tryna just always be open to new ways things unfold, nothing's predetermined 😉 10 bigs a bit more than 5 bigs here, two opps, board they nicely connect with, striving for fold equity that may be relatively low or finding different value in an alternative strategy? Not that obvious, there are positives to other lines, but ultimately shoving flop will likely outweigh them.
Maybe we even want to bet something weird like 2/3 pot as pokerfan said.
the bet sizing we choose does really matter though, besides how strong, weak, weird or confusing it looks,
as we may be pot committed of course, but our two opponents have much greater stacks and they have to consider how the hand is going to play out between them. lj having to call pot is completely different than lj having to call half pot when hj is left to act.
